Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!
A CONVERSATION FROM ANTHONY BUTCHER'S FORUM
@ http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/
Hi,
I felt this converstion which I had with a Forum member who is an avowed Tory (should I say has admitted to being?) was worthy of a wider audience.
I reproduce it here as it opens up some different lines of thought relative to EUkip.
There are a few alterations to make it clearer and to aid visually.
Originally Posted by Torytruth
Greg, although Im a Conservative Im also cencerned about the way that Gary is being victimised. He hasnt posted for days so may have been intimidated.
However before I take this further I would like the confirmation of you or anybody else "in the know" that Gary was never in the racist NF
I presume NF is National Front in this instance NOT Nigel Farage!
I believe that Gary is 'Advised' not to post.
I am of the opinion that Gary WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL FRONT.
I believe that is why the coward & bully Mike Smith has NOT identified him as such.
There is a Gary Cartwright listed in the National Front membership lists but in completely the wrong part of Britain relative to the ex RAF Gary Cartwright.
I believe STRESS BELIEVE (as I can not substantiate it) that shortly after leaving the RAF the Gary Cartwright in UKIP (not the brightest of bunnies as he supports Tom Wise currently under arrest and on bail for fraud, money laundering and other offences as made known by Bedfordshire Constabulary and published widely in the media and also exposed as a dullard and without integrity by the NotW.)
Gary seems a likeable individual and gets brownie points in my book for his Military service; shortly after that I understand he had a brief dalliance with the organisation led by Ian Anderson who publishes The Flag. It is a right wing organisation but NOT with the obscene racist and anti Jewish extremism of the National Front - it was because of the views of the NF that Ian Anderson broke away from The NF.
When the schism came in the NF those of the Tyndall persuasion went with John Tyndal to The BNP where they refuse to denounce and disassociate themselves from the extremist American White Supremacists who have made a ritual entertainment over the years of the hanging and dragging of 4-5,000, mostly young men, based on their colour. Nor will the BNP renounce the funding by the extreme anti Jewish Lady Birdwood.
I understand that it was due to these extremist views that Ian Anderson set up his party denouncing the NF and thus The BNP. I believe Gary Cartwright WAS with Anderson's organisation for a year or so as he searched out a means of opposing membership of The EU.I apologise in advance if I have any of these details wrong, but that is to the besyt of my knowledge on these specifics. I had always believed that Ian Andersons organisation was a great deal less racist and extreme than Dennis Delderfield's Party, which I refused to join when asked over lunch with Dennis in Chepstow, when he came to see me one day, some years ago.
I wonder whether you have sufficient influence 'Torytruth' to have Mike Smith adopted back into The Tories without the right to multiple memberships, because it would help in the cleaning up of EUkip no end.
Originally Posted by Torytruth
Greg. I'm fascinated by this information, much of which comes as total news to me.
May I suggest you hunt down Political Gossip UK blog, Caterpillars And Butterflies blog & Junius on UKIP blog and start reading! Once you are convinced of their factual nature do distribute the URLs – sadly only pro UKIP propaganda is permitted to be actually advertised on this Forum section with multiple RSS feeds etc!!!
Originally Posted by Torytruth
I have always thought of UKIP as an essentially moderate centre-right organisation (whether you think it is any good or even "corrupt")
How quaint!
Not really fair, UKIP was in the main.
Sadly Farage and his cronies dishonestly hijacked the leadership through a very unpleasant and corrupt leadership squabble.
Then the rot started as Farage had absolutely no leadership skills it seems and less morality.
The party has now been infiltrated by his cronies and a BNP style management complete with ambushings, kangaroo courts, set aside of disciplinary procedure puppets, bully boys and dodgey accounts.
The slide into the gutter has been the rise of EUkip and the departure of over 50% of the membership – almost all of the decent moral members of integrity and the hard core ethical activists and the backers have left since EUkip came into being.
There are more kangaroo courts being drawn up! Viz: John West, Dr. Eric Edmond, Dr. David Abbott and others.
The ‘Reichstag Fire’ moment at the last NEC meeting of EUkip has even more irrevocably linked the leadership and their cronies with the BNP, rather backfiring as they had thought dishonestly to get rid of two men of intellect and integrity branding them as BNP!!
The ‘Kristell Nacht’ is underway at the moment with bullying and intimidation by Farage’s place men and bully boys and the night of the long knives to seize total Kontrol is planned, we believe, for late January or early February.
The likelihood then is Farage and a few cronies will strip the residual party and jump ship – blaming everyone but themselves for the debacle.
One need only to look at the calibre of those gathered around Farage to be aware he is a weak and venal leader of little or no integrity.
Originally Posted by Torytruth
but the Delderfield revelations are chilling.
You may well say so.
Originally Posted by Torytruth
How many of the Delderfield extremists hold high rank in UKIP?
Quite a number and at least 2 MEPs, though I would feel that any youngsters who were associated may well have been duped as Dennis’s ‘front’ is seemingly benign. There will always be those who had a dalliance as in ‘he who is not a Socialist in youth has no heart and he who is a Socialist in maturity has no Brain’ and one can see that all too well with the Neo Communists that are New Labour’s core – Blair, Brown, Mandelson, Presscott, Straw, Smith + Smith, Haine, Beckett, Martin, Darling etc. etc. and thus the economic illiteracy of Brown & Darling – deliberately engineered by the harder line Communists in the party.
Sadly the Tories lack a single solitary member of stature and competence, save perhaps William Hague who is too spoilt and wealthy to care having been stabbed in the back too often, the balance are but braying asses almost without exception.
Originally Posted by Torytruth
I'm pleased to see that Mike Smith has been banned because he was hounding Gary Cartwright
I agree – he is a bully and a coward but still I believe I shall decline to expand now that I know he is banned and unable to defend himself. If there is one thing I hate it is a bully, as with those who lie and cheat their comrades. Similarly those who bear false witness on debunked evidence – it is hard to find a man more contemptible.
Notably in EUkip another Smith and another Michael!
Originally Posted by Torytruth
but if Gary will not admit his National Democrats membership an obvious problem arises.
I’m not SURE I agree – surely it is the responsibility of the employer since he doesn’t seek elected office and holds no Party position.I am always wary of witch hunts as all too often the hunters are malign in their definitions and wanting in their evidence and seeking their own glory!One need only look at EUkip to see the truth of this comment!
Originally Posted by Torytruth
Was Tom Wise also a member of the National Democrats?
I do not think he was but even if he was he may not have noticed!! I have met but a few people that are so stupid they did not know they were stupid!
Originally Posted by Torytruth
When exactly did the National Front become the National Democrats and when did Gary join?
I suggest you let GOOGLE be your friend having never been a member of a Political Party I have not kept tally of dates. As for Gary I believe that question may be answered in court shortly!!I trust this helps and clarifies a few details.
QUOTE=Torytruth
Greg. I'm fascinated by this information, much of which comes as total news to me.
May I suggest you hunt down Political Gossip UK blog, Caterpillars And Butterflies blog & Junius on UKIP blog and start reading! Once you are convinced of their factual nature do distribute the URLs – sadly only pro UKIP propaganda is permitted to be actually advertised on this Forum section with multiple RSS feeds etc!!!
QUOTE=Torytruth
I have always thought of UKIP as an essentially moderate centre-right organisation (whether you think it is any good or even "corrupt")
How quaint!
Not really fair - UKIP was in the main.
Sadly Farage and his cronies dishonestly hijacked the leadership through a very unpleasant and corrupt leadership squabble.
Then the rot started as Farage had absolutely no leadership skills it seems and less morality.
The party has now been infiltrated by his cronies and a BNP style management complete with ambushings, kangaroo courts, set aside of disciplinary procedure puppets, bully boys and dodgey accounts. The slide into the gutter has been the rise of EUkip and the departure of over 50% of the membership – almost all of the decent moral members of integrity and the hard core ethical activists and the backers have left since EUkip came into being.
There are more kangaroo courts being drawn up! Viz: John West, Dr. Eric Edmond, Dr. David Abbott and others.
The Faragista ‘Reichstag Fire’ moment at the last NEC meeting of EUkip has even more irrevocably linked the leadership and their cronies with the BNP, rather backfiring as they had thought dishonestly to get rid of two men of intellect and integrity branding them as BNP!!
The ‘Kristell Nacht’ is underway at the moment with bullying and intimidation by Farage’s place men and bully boys and the night of the long knives to seize total Kontrol is planned, we believe, for late January or early February.The likelihood then is Farage and a few cronies will strip the residual party and jump ship – blaming everyone but themselves for the debacle.One need only to look at the calibre of those gathered around Farage to be aware he is a weak and venal leader of little or no integrity.
QUOTE=Torytruth
but the Delderfield revelations are chilling.
You may well say so.
QUOTE=Torytruth
How many of the Delderfield extremists hold high rank in UKIP?
Quite a number and at least 2 MEPs, though I would feel that any youngsters who were associated may well have been duped as Dennis’s ‘front’ is seemingly benign. There will always be those who had a dalliance as in ‘he who is not a Socialist in youth has no heart and he who is a Socialist in maturity has no Brain’ and one can see that all too well, with the Neo Communists that are New Labour’s core – Blair, Brown, Mandelson, Presscott, Straw, Smith + Smith, Haine, Beckett, Martin, Darling etc. etc. and thus the economic illiteracy of Brown & Darling – deliberately engineered by the harder line Communists in the party.
Sadly the Tories lack a single solitary member of stature and competence, save perhaps William Hague who is too spoilt and wealthy to care having been stabbed in the back too often, the balance are but braying asses almost without exception.
QUOTE=Torytruth
I'm pleased to see that Mike Smith has been banned because he was hounding Gary Cartwright
I agree – he is a bully and a coward but still I believe I shall decline to expand now that I know he is banned and unable to defend himself. If there is one thing I hate it is a bully, as with those who lie and cheat their comrades. Similarly those who bear false witness on debunked evidence – it is hard to find a man more contemptible.Notably in EUkip another Smith and another Michael!
QUOTE=Torytruth
but if Gary will not admit his National Democrats membership an obvious problem arises.
I’m not SURE I agree – surely it is the responsibility of the employer since he doesn’t seek elected office and holds no Party position.I am always wary of witch hunts as all too often the hunters are malign in their definitions and wanting in their evidence and seeking their own glory!One need only look at EUkip to see the truth of this comment!
QUOTE=Torytruth
Was Tom Wise also a member of the National Democrats?
I do not think he was but even if he was he may not have noticed!! I have met but a few people that are so stupid they did not know they were stupid!
QUOTE=Torytruth
When exactly did the National Front become the National Democrats and when did Gary join?
I suggest you let GOOGLE be your friend having never been a member of a Political Party I have not kept tally of dates. As for Gary I believe that question may be answered in court shortly!!
How many of the Delderfield extremists hold high rank in UKIP?
Quite a number and at least 2 MEPs, though I would feel that any youngsters who were associated may well have been duped as Dennis’s ‘front’ is seemingly benign. There will always be those who had a dalliance as in ‘he who is not a Socialist in youth has no heart and he who is a Socialist in maturity has no Brain’ and one can see that all too well with the Neo Communists that are New Labour’s core – Blair, Brown, Mandelson, Presscott, Straw, Smith + Smith, Haine, Beckett, Martin, Darling etc. etc. and thus the economic illiteracy of Brown & Darling – deliberately engineered by the harder line Communists in the party.
Sadly the Tories lack a single solitary member of stature and competence, save perhaps William Hague who is too spoilt and wealthy to care having been stabbed in the back too often, the balance are but braying asses almost without exception.
Originally Posted by Torytruth
I'm pleased to see that Mike Smith has been banned because he was hounding Gary Cartwright
I agree – he is a bully and a coward but still I believe I shall decline to expand now that I know he is banned and unable to defend himself. If there is one thing I hate it is a bully, as with those who lie and cheat their comrades. Similarly those who bear false witness on debunked evidence – it is hard to find a man more contemptible.
Notably in EUkip another Smith and another Michael!
Originally Posted by Torytruth
but if Gary will not admit his National Democrats membership an obvious problem arises.
I’m not SURE I agree – surely it is the responsibility of the employer since he doesn’t seek elected office and holds no Party position.I am always wary of witch hunts as all too often the hunters are malign in their definitions and wanting in their evidence and seeking their own glory!One need only look at EUkip to see the truth of this comment!
Originally Posted by Torytruth
Was Tom Wise also a member of the National Democrats?
I do not think he was but even if he was he may not have noticed!! I have met but a few people that are so stupid they did not know they were stupid!
Originally Posted by Torytruth
When exactly did the National Front become the National Democrats and when did Gary join?
I suggest you let GOOGLE be your friend having never been a member of a Political Party I have not kept tally of dates. As for Gary I believe that question may be answered in court shortly!!I trust this helps and clarifies a few details.
QUOTE=Torytruth
Greg. I'm fascinated by this information, much of which comes as total news to me.
May I suggest you hunt down Political Gossip UK blog, Caterpillars And Butterflies blog & Junius on UKIP blog and start reading! Once you are convinced of their factual nature do distribute the URLs – sadly only pro UKIP propaganda is permitted to be actually advertised on this Forum section with multiple RSS feeds etc!!!
QUOTE=Torytruth
I have always thought of UKIP as an essentially moderate centre-right organisation (whether you think it is any good or even "corrupt")
How quaint!
Not really fair - UKIP was in the main.
Sadly Farage and his cronies dishonestly hijacked the leadership through a very unpleasant and corrupt leadership squabble.
Then the rot started as Farage had absolutely no leadership skills it seems and less morality.
The party has now been infiltrated by his cronies and a BNP style management complete with ambushings, kangaroo courts, set aside of disciplinary procedure puppets, bully boys and dodgey accounts. The slide into the gutter has been the rise of EUkip and the departure of over 50% of the membership – almost all of the decent moral members of integrity and the hard core ethical activists and the backers have left since EUkip came into being.
There are more kangaroo courts being drawn up! Viz: John West, Dr. Eric Edmond, Dr. David Abbott and others.
The Faragista ‘Reichstag Fire’ moment at the last NEC meeting of EUkip has even more irrevocably linked the leadership and their cronies with the BNP, rather backfiring as they had thought dishonestly to get rid of two men of intellect and integrity branding them as BNP!!
The ‘Kristell Nacht’ is underway at the moment with bullying and intimidation by Farage’s place men and bully boys and the night of the long knives to seize total Kontrol is planned, we believe, for late January or early February.The likelihood then is Farage and a few cronies will strip the residual party and jump ship – blaming everyone but themselves for the debacle.One need only to look at the calibre of those gathered around Farage to be aware he is a weak and venal leader of little or no integrity.
QUOTE=Torytruth
but the Delderfield revelations are chilling.
You may well say so.
QUOTE=Torytruth
How many of the Delderfield extremists hold high rank in UKIP?
Quite a number and at least 2 MEPs, though I would feel that any youngsters who were associated may well have been duped as Dennis’s ‘front’ is seemingly benign. There will always be those who had a dalliance as in ‘he who is not a Socialist in youth has no heart and he who is a Socialist in maturity has no Brain’ and one can see that all too well, with the Neo Communists that are New Labour’s core – Blair, Brown, Mandelson, Presscott, Straw, Smith + Smith, Haine, Beckett, Martin, Darling etc. etc. and thus the economic illiteracy of Brown & Darling – deliberately engineered by the harder line Communists in the party.
Sadly the Tories lack a single solitary member of stature and competence, save perhaps William Hague who is too spoilt and wealthy to care having been stabbed in the back too often, the balance are but braying asses almost without exception.
QUOTE=Torytruth
I'm pleased to see that Mike Smith has been banned because he was hounding Gary Cartwright
I agree – he is a bully and a coward but still I believe I shall decline to expand now that I know he is banned and unable to defend himself. If there is one thing I hate it is a bully, as with those who lie and cheat their comrades. Similarly those who bear false witness on debunked evidence – it is hard to find a man more contemptible.Notably in EUkip another Smith and another Michael!
QUOTE=Torytruth
but if Gary will not admit his National Democrats membership an obvious problem arises.
I’m not SURE I agree – surely it is the responsibility of the employer since he doesn’t seek elected office and holds no Party position.I am always wary of witch hunts as all too often the hunters are malign in their definitions and wanting in their evidence and seeking their own glory!One need only look at EUkip to see the truth of this comment!
QUOTE=Torytruth
Was Tom Wise also a member of the National Democrats?
I do not think he was but even if he was he may not have noticed!! I have met but a few people that are so stupid they did not know they were stupid!
QUOTE=Torytruth
When exactly did the National Front become the National Democrats and when did Gary join?
I suggest you let GOOGLE be your friend having never been a member of a Political Party I have not kept tally of dates. As for Gary I believe that question may be answered in court shortly!!
For clarification:
Just for clarification I believe that Dennis Delderfield's rather unpleasant little organisation is NEW BRITAIN and was, possibly still is, allied to the morally reprehensible Political side of The Springbok Club which I understand to support apartheid.
For Further Clarification:
(c/o Wiki)
This article is about the political party which split away from the British National Front. For the Northern Irish political party, see National Democrats (Northern Ireland).
The National Democrats is a right wing nationalist party in the United Kingdom that has campaigned vigorously against immigration and asylum. According to the 2007 accounts filed with the Electoral Commission it had two members, which must be presumed to be its leader Ian Anderson and its treasurer Stephen Ebbs.
(c/o Wiki)
This article is about the political party which split away from the British National Front. For the Northern Irish political party, see National Democrats (Northern Ireland).
The National Democrats is a right wing nationalist party in the United Kingdom that has campaigned vigorously against immigration and asylum. According to the 2007 accounts filed with the Electoral Commission it had two members, which must be presumed to be its leader Ian Anderson and its treasurer Stephen Ebbs.
FormationThe party was formed in 1995 when members of the National Front decided to change the name to the National Democrats. 72% of the membership voted for the change in a postal ballot. Some members opposed the change and carried on political activity as the National Front.The party noticeably moderated the policies of the NF in an attempt to win more popular appeal and avoid allegations of "extremism".
However I am open to correction.
I trust this helps and clarifies a few details.
However I am open to correction.
I trust this helps and clarifies a few details.
Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62
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Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:
LEAVE THE EU
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62
I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country:
Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:
LEAVE THE EU
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