Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!
The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership, their anti UKIP claque & the NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
UKIP MEMBERS ON EUkip's FORUM LIKE FERRETS IN A SACK! BEING LED THIS TIME BY DENNY & NUTTALL!
as promised I had a look at how Nigel Farage's puppet chairman was handling himself on the incest forum which young Arnny moderates, removing anything that does not fit in with the sychophancy required on an incest site like this - not open to fresh air and freedom of speech - nor willing to discuss and convince opponents and let your members test their debating skills and the logic of their arguments - too aware of their ineptitude even on a limited readership it is from time to time harshly monitored and censored to suit the current position of the corrupt leadership.
Well Paul Nuttall's idiocy has started off a brutal criticism from the mouse that roared! Having recently overturned a corrupt and dishonest decision, which was arguably criminal, by Nigel Farage and Paul Nuttall which was in flagrant abuse of their position and directly challenged Lord Pearson as leader little Denny is feeling quite important!
The correspondence below has maundered on to about 4 pages with Denny starting a new thread as well but I believe you will find this sufficient to get the gist of the fight - doesn't Nuttall show himself for the idiot he clearly is a strutting self important nebisch. Denny comes across little better!
Just think for a moment Nuttall is an MEP!! and the so called chairman of EUkip's NEC whilst Denny is a long term spokesperson for EUkip and a member of the NEC who was sacked as Returning Officer for corruption, dishonesty and seeking to corrupt the very election he was in place to supervise but since it was FOR Farage he kept his place on the NEC.
|« on: February 05, 2010, 10:53:43 PM »|
When I became Chairman of UKIP, I believed that the members did not have a platform to share ideas and experiences. Therefore, when I appointed Jonathan Arnott as General Secretary, the first job I asked him to do was to set up a 'member's forum'. To begin with, it was a revelation. Members communicated, downloaded leaflets and offered constructive proposals as to how to improve the party.
Unfortunately, once the leadership election began, this was no longer the case. Since then, it has been used as a vehicle to criticise the party, undermine the leadership and drive new members away. In the North West, we have lost two candidates in the past two weeks and both have cited the junk they have read on this forum as one of the principle reasons for their resignation.
I pushed for this forum against the advice of the leadership at the time, and I feel that that I am being let down at the moment. They are being proved right and I am being proved wrong.
I will not allow this to continue much longer.
This is not a form of censorship, but I am not prepared to provide a platform for new or active members to be driven away by a bunch of keyboard warriors.
I am amazed you have made this suggestion.
For a start, - now it is up and running - you would be wrong to unilaterally close this forum down without discussion by the communications manager; Damian the website manager, and the NEC. It is not your personal fiefdom, and now could rightly be said to have 'stakeholders' in the rest of the membership who use it.
Having set it up primarily to promote communication within the party - something which has been a dire problem in the past - and to provide an alternative to the 'UKIP' section of the British Democracy Forum, it would be a grave mistake to consider closing it just because a few members use it as a platform to 'sound-off'. This really is an admission and case of shooting the messenger because you don't like the message.
1) Sounding-off here rather than the BDF every now and then is a good thing as it allows steam to be let off here within the confines of a more private members area, without external steam being let off in a more public place like the BDF.
2) I doubt if you have done an audit of the numbers of 'negative' posts, Vs. 'positive' but I have no doubt the numbers of negatives are small.
3) If you do not have somewhere to observe the negatives from members - then where are you going to get feedback to know what those negatives are? It has been a severe problem in the past that the leadership never knew what was seriously concerning the membership across the country, and things got out of hand - Ashford is a good example of that. This is an excellent platform for feedback within the party and for the 'leadership' to observe that feedback.
4) It does allow some interaction and liason between people who enjoy being as you put it 'keyboard warriors'.
You are utterly failing to understand there are a lot of people who are our members, who actually enjoy the cameraderie of belonging to a group on the internet and exchanging views.
Sometimes those exchanges get a little heated, but provided they don't get out of hand completely (and that is what a moderator is for - to deal with that) then it is all to the good of social interaction within "our" UKIP group here within the confines of the members area.
And - why not have keyboard warriors? they can be an asset when they direct their attacks to serious issues. Censorship is never productive to obtaining the truth.
If there are one or two who are clearly totally disruptive, then they can be identified, advised to moderate their output or be removed from the members forum. Closing it down entirely because of one or two recalcitrants is just silly.
Further, if one or two members, as you suggest, wished to leave the party because of this forum, then I simply don't believe they were committed enough to the primary cause of what UKIP is all about in the first instance! The obvious answer to that suggestion is if they did not like tone of this forum then all they had to do was leave the forum - NOT the party. Perhaps more like - they used that as an excuse to leave the party because they intended to leave anyway for other reasons.
Frankly your suggestion of closing this forum down is Luddite, totally negative and reactionary; I am against it and say so publicly. If you persist, I shall insist it be brought forward as an agenda item at the NEC.
I place this here in 'General Discussion' because it is rather important to this forum and I don't want it to be lost in 'Disagreements' only.It is regarding Paul Nuttal's suggestion of closing down this forum.If you agree or disagree with this suggestion, you may contact him on:-Nuttal. MEP. Paul. (NEC Chairman)
And give him your thoughts on the matter.
Or, post to 'Disagreements'. Or, both.
There are acres more but it is clear that Nuttall has lost any respect anyone misguidedly may have had for him. Denny as an NEC member clearly has almost as little idea of how to behave!
This of course is a stupid, ill considered action by EUkip's inept little Mussolini look alike - having been sent off on holiday to avoid the embarrassment of chairing a meeting to defend his own crass and unprincipled behaviour and that of the treacherous self serving money grabbing Farage supported by the odious elderly creep Christopher Gill where the three of them conspired to mount an attack on Nikkie Sinclaire using public media to wash their own dirty linnen for personal gain at the expense of EUkip.
Nikkie Sinclaire is to be commended that not a single effort on her part to denigrate her attackers on the public media has been made despite their despicable self interested use of the media in abuse of the trust misguidedly placed in them.
It will be noted that Sinclaire meticulously followed the correct discreet procedure, every step of the way. I gather she had intended to resign in October when she first found out how sordid a group Farage had created to get a chauffeur driven limo, a bigger office and a considerable hike in pay with greater control over the EUkip budget and control over staff - to view details on the pro EU membership Pan EU Political Party EFD group FarageFarage has formed with its Racism, anti Judaism, xenophobic attempts through violence to impose apartheid with racial segregation.
However it became apparent that there was more afoot due to the Court's Guilty verdict and the fact that Farage's dishonesty had incurred a £3/4Million debt for EUkip. Farage was forced, as an unprincipled moral dyslexic, to stand down as leader:
Farage to remain and avoid disrupting the party out of her loyalty to UKIP when Batten stood as a contender she opted to throw her hat in the ring in the not very realistic hope of winning and being able to LEAD UKIP out of the sordid EFD Part group. Clearly she had little hope but felt it the best way to serve her party.
Almost as soon as Pearson was elected she arranged a private meeting with him over dinner to discuss her position. We understand from Farage's camp (much to his fury) that Pearson had informed him that Sinclaire would be resigning from the EFD Party group and that as leader he had given her an undertaking that her principled decision would not be allowed to cause her any difficulty. Within days and in flagrant abuse of his position Farage mounted a very public and dishonest attack on Sinclaire.
Now we have Nuttall washing HIS dirty linnen on a public forum for the media et al to follow.
Anyone who wants to follow the in house incest forum all they need to do is utilise the membership and password of a chum and just observe without posting OR as some of the media have done, just join EUkip (£20 on your expenses) and not only can you join the forum but you get all the in house 'stuff' which can be handy, there are journalists with membership of several parties as they garner stories for the General Election and expenses and the like. I understand the most popular to join are EUkip and The BNP ,which Farage & Croucher and their claque did so much to help get elected last June by deliberately raising their profile, as between them they are an endless saga of crass behaviour if nothing else!
As Pearson said only the other day 'there are a serious number of stories being gathered ready for the election!' It is expected they will be dumped on the public during the last month before the election.
EUkip is in a particularly parlous position with no reputable press staff and less ability and the ex Tory James Pryor who so spectacularly failed with IFP in South Africa. At a time when were UKIP to make a breakthrough they would require honest decent respected press officers to build a sound reputation with the media they have only the scrapings and rejects who are despised at best or reveilled by the meeejia and the serial stupidity of those in EUkip who sneer at the leading journalists or lie to them has done immense harm.
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