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#408* - EUkip vs EU & OTHERS - FISHY STORY

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

FANTASY EUkip vs EU & OTHERS - A VERY FISHY STORY!

Hi,

In wandering through my routine web sites I came across a very fishy story from EUkip.

I was actually looking for details of the advance to the rear of the British Army as it fled from Basra in defeat.

As a result of the lies, war crimes and crimes against humanity of Anthony Charles Lynton Blair and his criminal co conspirators somewhere around 1,000,000 lives have been lost in Iraq, including many Americans and also an unacceptable number of British lives. Due to the lies of Tony Blair and his risible rehash of 12 year old data written by an Iraqi Phd student and posted on a Bercley UCA web site which I an 2 friends tracked down and exposed to the world meeeja 7 soldiers from Chepstow have died this year alone!

Many will recal Tony Blair sent his sordid little communist chum Jack Straw to America to lie to Colin Powell and the UN - it is his other chum Gordon Brown a fool on a good day - who has had to acknowledge that we have lost hands down and under the supervision of the Ministry Of Defeat our lads, due to the lies of the politicians, the incompetence of The MoD and the stupidity and self serving cowardice of men like General Jackson - brave after the even when he had his pension in his hands but arming our troops for the wrong war whilst committing the budget to useless boys toys.

Today our lads started the pull out from Basra - it is no surprise that to distract the thinking meeeja the papers have been filled with the understandable need for hard core porn of the husband of Jaqui Smith (well have you seen her? Let alone heard her!). As the photo Journos would have struck with films of the retreat and escape one can not be surprised that the hard line Unions in communist style will be chanting the mantras of the new religion with the warmists and not a shred of reliable science or balanced fact in sight as they prattle the jingo and screech the propaganda of the distractant.

Then again - nothing new. Consider fisheries we were well on the way to making some major inroads into the ludicrous CFP and those with memories will recal the glee with which the imbecilic EUkip with its total lack of understanding of politics managed to oust Patrick Nicholls from Parliament as he was having an ever escalating effect on the CFP and progressively moving a growing group of vascilators in the Tories towards near militant EU withdrawalism.

EUkip did not attack Patrick with a view to winning a seat as they stood as much chance of winning a Westminster seat back then as they do now Nil to Zero! It was just another childish excercise in weenie waggling so typical of EUkip - they did it because they could but with no thought of consequences.

You will remember that at the last EU elections EUkip made the main gains on the principle of LEND US YOUR VOTE and the understanding was clearly that Tories & Labour who opposed membership of the EU would vote for EUkip - once the battle was for the winning Robert K-S swung in to add the final fillipe. It was not until the idiotic speech by RKS of Kill The Tories, which lost EUkip its last serious backer Paul Sykes and woke the Tories to the fact that EUkip had no gravitas and clearly less ability.

We even had that buffoon Mick Natrasse standing fantasy candidates against well known candidates!

Fortunately EUkip had very little effect in the General Election and dis so palpably badly that Richard north and I agreed we would announce that the EUkip had cost the Tories 27 seats - the aim being to pretend EUkip were still of some relevance as they brought pressure on the Tories. Fortunately due to contacts we were able to launch this before most people were up that morning and we managed to get it running credibly on various left and right wing blogs and web sites. Fortunately both The Bruges Group and The Tory Party swallowed the logic hook line and sinker!

It is interesting to note the extent that some in politics believe the public will swallow anything but it is unwise to take them for complete idiots as does EUkip.

Just consider the following article where EUkip with 1,500 signatures under its belt in a so called petition believe this has an influence over 500,000,000 people in a centrally controlled EU bereft of even the merest vestages of 'Democracy'.

Had EUkip had anywhere near the influence they claim on their web site just how can they have managed to achieve the square root of diddley squat during 5 years with 12 elected MEPs?

Read the article and wonder at the stupidity of someone who could write such implausible drivel as propaganda!

Note the list of facts at the end of the article which gainsay the possibility of the fantasie's veracity!

UKIP victory on EU angling campaign
Tuesday, 31st March 2009

The UKIP campaign to stop the EU imposing fishing quotas on recreational sea anglers has been hailed a victory.

And though UKIP Leader Nigel Farage was delighted for Britain's 1.5 million sea fishermen with what he called "an outbreak commonsense in the EU" he urged caution for the future.

"We need to be aware that the principle of recreational sea angling coming under the realm of the Common Fisheries Policy has now been established and there's every likelihood that it will one day return for regulation," he said.

"But it seems today there has been an outbreak of commonsense in the EU fisheries committee."

Although Article 47 remains in the Common Fisheries Policy, key paragraphs have been amended to make adherence to the proposed regulations optional. The use of the word "shall" has been replaced in several instances by "may".

Shore fishing has been exempted from any regulation.

The policy must still be ratified by the EU Parliament and could face further changes, warned Mr Farage.

He also said that the use of the word "may" meant the UK Government could choose to adopt the EU regulations.

"With the current New Labour government only to keen too go along with European harmonisation at every opportunity, Gordon Brown may well opt to take up the implicit offer of Article 47 despite the clamour to scrap the entire thing," he said.

The UKIP Save Our Sport – Scrap Article 47 petition has attracted more than 1,500 signatures so far and will be presented to UK Fisheries Minister Huw Irranca-Davies before the CFP goes to the EU Parliament in April.

To view the original phantasies CLICK HERE

The following list of facts - known as THE Members list of the EU Common Fisheries Policy Committee rather give the lie to The Faragista Fan Club's propaganda since you will note EUkip does NOT have a single solitary member on The Fisheries Committee!

You will however note that EUkip had 2 substitutes, Nigel Farage & Tom Wise both MEPs.

I wonder just how these two had any serious influence, particularly as I can't find a record of attendance for Farage!

MORILLON, Philippe :: Chairman
Group of the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe
France

MIGUÉLEZ RAMOS, Rosa :: Vice-Chairwoman

DOYLE, Avril :: Vice-Chairwoman

ATTWOOLL, Elspeth :: Vice-Chairwoman

GUERREIRO, Pedro :: Vice-Chairman

ALLISTER, Jim :: Member

ARNAOUTAKIS, Stavros :: Member

AUBERT, Marie-Hélène :: Member

BRAGHETTO, Iles :: Member

BUSK, Niels :: Member

CAPOULAS SANTOS, Luis Manuel :: Member

CASA, David :: Member

CASACA, Paulo :: Member

CHMIELEWSKI, Zdzisław Kazimierz :: Member

FERNANDES, Emanuel Jardim :: Member

FRAGA ESTÉVEZ, Carmen :: Member

FREITAS, Duarte :: Member

GKLAVAKIS, Ioannis :: Member

GOMOLKA, Alfred :: Member

GOUDIN, Hélène :: Member

HANNAN, Daniel :: Member

HUDGHTON, Ian :: Member

JARZEMBOWSKI, Georg :: Member

KINDERMANN, Heinz :: Member

MEYER PLEITE, Willy :: Member

MIKKO, Marianne :: Member

MUSUMECI, Sebastiano (Nello) :: Member

Ó NEACHTAIN, Seán :: Member

PAGANO, Maria Grazia :: Member

RODUST, Ulrike :: Member

ROMAGNOLI, Luca :: Member

STEVENSON, Struan :: Member

STIHLER, Catherine :: Member

SUDRE, Margie :: Member

de VILLIERS, Philippe :: Member

VISSER, Cornelis :: Member

SUBSTITUTES:

AITA, Vincenzo :: Substitute

AYLWARD, Liam :: Substitute

BÖGE, Reimer :: Substitute

BURKE, Colm :: Substitute

CAROLLO, Giorgio :: Substitute

CHRISTENSEN, Ole :: Substitute

CORBEY, Dorette :: Substitute

COSTA, Paolo :: Substitute

CROWLEY, Brian :: Substitute

DAVIES, Chris :: Substitute

DUMITRIU, Constantin :: Substitute

FARAGE, Nigel :: Substitute

FAVA, Claudio :: Substitute

GLATTFELDER, Béla :: Substitute

KLAMT, Ewa :: Substitute

LANG, Carl :: Substitute

LO CURTO, Eleonora :: Substitute

MASIP HIDALGO, Antonio :: Substitute

MULDER, Jan :: Substitute

ORTUONDO LARREA, Josu :: Substitute

PARISH, Neil :: Substitute

RIERA MADURELL, Teresa :: Substitute

ROMEVA i RUEDA, Raül :: Substitute

SALINAS GARCÍA, María Isabel :: Substitute

SCHLYTER, Carl :: Substitute

SIEKIERSKI, Czesław Adam :: Substitute

SINNOTT, Kathy :: Substitute

VENTRE, Riccardo :: Substitute

WISE, Thomas :: Substitute
Sourced From CLICK HERE

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU's CAP - In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

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#407* - Up HIM & DOWN DALE!!

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

Up HIM & DOWN DALE!! Sir MORTIMER JUST KEPT DIGGING TOO!

Hi,

it does rather look as if the author of Political Gossip UK CLICK HERE has seen straight through Stuart Wheewler's position and Iain Dale's also.

Stuart Wheeler has made it abundantly clear that by giving EUkip what amounts to petty cash in his book (rather less than £10,000 per Region!) he has received a huge gain for his stance in opposition to membership of The EU. On the Politics Show Stuart Wheeler made it abundantly clear he was NOT supporting EUkip and he even said MEPs had no effect whatever their persuasion - Stuart Wheeler has pulled of a positive Coup, he has put a shot across the bows of Vapid Cameron and bought more media space, column inches, radio coverage and TV time than many multiples of £100,000 could have bought him.

As spread bets go this must have been one of Stuart Wheeler's best ever - it was guaranteed to be a winner - even EUkip do not realise just how demeaned they are by this, they are worth only the petty cash from a rich man's pocket a mere bagattelle to influence the Tories!

Aware of the parlous state of cash flow in various regions this filippe will be welcome as even £10,000 per region will make a great difference - which is a sad reflection on the leadership relative to 2004 when the war chest for the EU election was running at £2,000,000+.

I am pretty sure the East Midlands is not alone in being near borassic with almost no activists other than those the odious Derek Clark has paid as praise singers - clearly no one will turn out to get that worm elected save those who hope to profit by it until the end of June. That there is so little in the fund and so few attend Clark's meetings is hardly surprising in view of EUkip's betrayal of the British peoples and every principle on which the party was founded and grew.

Who would want an evil dishonest self serving pond life as the doddering and dishonest Derek Clark returned a second time - once was more than enough damage.

To return to the comments of Political Gossip UK - as you read it do note his prescient comments about the olleagenous Iain Dale - he seems to have his measure!

What is Stuart Wheeler Really Up To?

Well Stuart Wheeler is donating £100,000 to UKIP and has urged Tory's to vote UKIP at the Euro elections. However, he plans to remain a member of the Conservative Party and to vote Conservative at the Local and General Election.

So, what is he up to?

Well, watching him on the Politics Show today, he admitted that MEPs have no power (and therefore the vote is not that important to governance) and that all he wishes to do is to send a message to the 2 main Parties of how 'important' the issue of Europe really is, in the hope, that Cameron (in particular) changes his stance on Europe, moving towards a more Eurosceptic/withdrawalist position.

(Not forgetting he also mentioned that his family admit he is vain and garnishes publicity from time to time - where else could one get so much media coverage for only £100,000?).

So what does this say about UKIP? Well, the £100,000 will be useful (providing the Leader spreads it around the Regions and not 'hog it' for the South East only), but lets admit, this is no ringing endorsement for the Party. Rather than be seen a a 'Real Political Party' with ambitions for power to change the way this country is run, Wheeler sees UKIP merely as a 'Pressure Group' against the Tories.
So, despite his much covered media exposure, Nigel Farage has failed to convince any serious minded individual that UKIP is worth voting for, other than to act as a 'Protest Vote' - GREAT - well done UKIP - you've come far in the last 3 years. If the BNP were not so embroiled in a history of Racism, we are confident, the money would be going to them.

We are concerned nevertheless, that Mr Wheeler, allegedly a 'man of principle,' is prepared to support a Party like UKIP, so mired in allegations of 'corruption and wrongdoing' as reported in the media. However, he did say during the TV interview, that he regarded the issue of Europe as 'more important than anything else' - so perhaps he is happy to turn a blind eye. On refelction, this must be the case, as he was happy to endorse a Party embroiled in Cash for Questions and Minster's infedility and 'Swords of Truth' perjury's etc etc.

It's a pity though that he is clearly not well read on the subject of UKIP's actions -. Derek Clarke signing for greater subsidiarity in the EU and Nigel Farage calling for a 'new approach to Europe' - hardly a withdrawalist position.

However, we do see some Shinnanagins in the background. We understand that Ian Dale is callling for Stuart Wheeler to be 'kicked out' of the Tory Party for his 'treason'. Mmmmmm. Ian Dale knows full well that all this is likely to achieve, is the driving of Mr Wheeler into the hands of UKIP - the Leader of which is a 'close friend' of Ian Dale.
After all, we were all confused in this office at Mr Dale's effusive comments towards Nigel Farage - but we understand that a few meals and drinks together have placed these 2 individuals at a different 'operating level'. According to a Nigel Farage critic, 'Nigel was never fussy about the company he kept'.

However, Mr Wheeler, we at Political Gossip UK believe you are mistaken in supporting UKIP on the grounds that it is not the Party you think it is, and if you wish to send Cameron a message, then arrange a lunch with him and 'thrash out' your differences. Meanwhile, let's all watch and see how well UKIP spends your money.

To view the original article on Political Gossip UK CLICK HERE

Has the crew at Political Gossip come to the same view as I and others in that Iain Dale would seem to have more than a reasonable interest in the well being of Farage. Could the stridency of Iain Dale's dismissal of Stuart Wheeler be founded on Jealousy or spite? Clearly Iain Dale seeks to damage The Tories in the long run and is seeking to push Stuart Wheeler into the arms of Farage - I would presume that foolish as Stuart Wheeler may be with his petty cash he is not as dumb as Iain Dale would wish him to be to comply with his underhand behaviour.

Be minded that Farage stated that he needed £300,000 for the south Eastern Region and I hear that to date just short of £40K has been raise and spent on Bill Boards this additional £10K will help but still leaves a shrtfall of £260K coincidentally close to the amount that Farage deposited to Farage Educational Trust in The Isle of Man bank a/c, a sum similar to the £250K that was deposited from the Ashford funds to a personal banknote of an executive managing the original plant; similarly £211K went inexplicably missing in the region.

Could it be that this is all a Fiduciary investigative exploitation which has been engineered? Clearly under £10,000 per Region will do little for EUkip in real terms, as together with the £40K that would still leave the SW Region with in the region of £250K short and be minded that to use the nomenclature 'short fall' is eventually likely to become exposed for the understatement it is!!

There is of course the possibility that The Tories are colluding with Stuart Wheeler to effect a EUkip dead cat bounce, whereby righteous indignation is permitted giving rise to Zionisation of yet larger contingents of Farage's Fan Club blind as they are to facts or details. As in a separation of the expansionist ambitions outstripping principles as in both EUkip and Zionism.

Time will tell!

Just what is Iain Dale's motivation for the attack on Tory best interests, why is he seeking to alienate Stuart Wheeler? Is it that he has in fact been exposed by and thwarted by the Tories and is looking for new best friends!

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU's CAP - In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS - GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

#406* - The EMBARRASSMENT of BEING Just A PROTEST

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

The EMBARRASSMENT for EUkip of BEING Just A RICH MAN'S PROTEST!

I am far too lazy to find different words just to be different when Richard has so eloquently expressed my sentiments - however I take the liberty of adding the fact that this protest against the arrogance and hubris of Vapid Cameron's navel gazing, which is now possibly the only place one might find BLUE fluff in the Tories these days.

I WILL NOT lend The Tories my vote ever again until Britain is OUT of the EU. I sadly find that to vote for EUkip would be, in my opinion, an act of betrayal of all that I believe in - Liberty, Democracy, Freedom, Sovereignty, Justice and the fundamental principles of morality, ethics, duty, integrity and honesty - that Politicians so glibly discount principles is neither mittigation nor justification for betraying their electorate and those who they represent.

I am left with the ONLY option being
to write upon my ballot paper LEAVE THE EU

I do not have £100,000 so I am unlikely to be able to influence The Tories by compounding the folly of the Tories by a folly of my own in funding an EU Native Party in betrayal of almost all principles and values which I hold dear.

Sadly Stuart Wheeler's ill considered protest against The Tories will hold out false succour to a claque of dishonest self seekers who have acted dishonestly and betrayed their supporters.

Richard is possibly a little more generous than I:

A man of principle

One of the comments on Tory Boy Blog that particularly struck a chord was one we ourselves have reflected. Simply, it said: "One of the (many) things that really annoys me about politicians is when they start telling me what I think, and what I am concerned about …".

That indeed is the issue with Cameron who, in the interests of party image, has determined that discussion of the European Union is "off limits" and that we must instead buy into his cuddly "social agenda" in order to win him the election.

What people like Cameron simply do not understand is that there are people out in the real world with principles – and a greater grasp than he will ever have of what is important in this life. And on the basis of principles before party, they – which includes this blog – can never wholly support the Tory line as long as it remains equivocal on the issue of the European Union.

It is thus good to see the The News of the World report that Stuart Wheeler, the "Tories' top donor" has donated £100,000 to UKIP and said that he will be voting for them in the June euro elections.

He has told the News of the World that Brussels is a bigger threat to Britain than the economic crisis and he is fed up with leader Cameron's decision to ignore it. Thus he notes that, "The Conservatives … just wish no one would talk about the EU so that they can win the general election in peace."

Frankly, we would rather that Wheeler had not supported UKIP, although the message it sends is so powerful that, on balance, it was justified even if it does strengthen a corrupt and dysfunctional party.

An added bonus is that it has Iain Dale spitting with fury, fulminating that Wheeler has committed "an act of gross disloyalty", urging that he should now be expelled from the Tory party.

That tells you exactly where Dale is coming from – an ertzatz eurosceptic if ever there was one who, without a single principle in his body, is ready-made for the Cameroon fluff. He seems to annoy someone else as well, for slightly different reasons.

However, Dale's outburst is reflected in some of the other comments on the Tory Boy Blog, an indication that there are Tories out there who still don't get the message: opposition to the European Union is not a passing fad, but a matter of the deepest-held principle. It is not something that can be "parked" merely for electoral convenience.

Stuart Wheeler, as a man of principle, has sent that message. It is one that the hard-core "party above principles" Tories do not want to hear, but it is one that they ignore at their peril.

To view Dr. Richard North's Original Hard Work, which I have quite unashamedly stolen out of almost total agreement CLICK HERE

One consideration is where does this leave the olleagenous Iain Dale and his near obscene adulation of Nigel Farage which shows beyond any doubt anyone may have had that he has absolutely no natural journalistic judgement. Farage has him snowed in a manner one rarely sees beyond elderly ladies and young kids - save those who seek preferment as his praise singers!

Having nicked Ooop North's Article I feel adequately endebted to give a plug to his shortly to arrive new baby:

Ministry Of Defeat
- I've read large chunks of it and there is every reason to expect it to prove a great problem for The MOD, The Military, The Government and many others - this book has been overdue since The Stores Department at Isandhlwana lacked screw drivers to open the ammo. boxes, China Gordon was stranded in Sudan and kidnapped by The Mahdi - This is the book that should have been written BEFORE every campaign for at least a couple of centuries!

It should be here within a few weeks so order a copy on his web site (Blog) at EU Referendum

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.

Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU's CAP - In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS - GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

#405* - BUTCHER & PADMORE STILL SUPPORT DISHONESTY

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

Anthony BUTCHER & Brendan PADMORE STILL SUPPORT EUkip's DISHONESTY & LIES ON THEIR FORUM!

Hi,

As if Libertas UK didn't have enough problems with Libertas UK having been registered by Nigel Farage's friend and press officer Bridget Rowe and Farage considering standing candidates having opted not to in a recent by election since Junius had heard his plans in Brussels and published them!

One has to wonder, in view of his catastrophic leadership, whether Nigel Farage is testing out a contingency plan to jump ship from EUkip to his own version of Libertas as it is an undeniable fact that Farage was behind the signing of an agreement by Derek Clark that was in accord with Libertas EU policies and DEFFINITELY not UKIP principles as being a policy of change rather than withdrawal from The EU.

You may not be aware that Derek Clark an elderly self interested EUkip MEP with a very small and shrinking following, signed an agreement that Britain should be subject to GREATER 'Subsidiarity' of The Odious EU AND the agreement to work WITH The EU through committees to improve EU control over these United Kingdoms.

For Libertas this is perhaps acceptable but for UKIP such an attitude brought a day of shame which EUkip has failed to repudiate and the behaviour of such as Anthony Butcher, Brendan Padmore and others is treachery and betrayal of proportions previously known more honestly as Treason.

It is interesting to note that Anthony Butcher as owner of what was UKIPForum but has now dumbed down as British Democracy Forum together with his postulate Brendan Padmore (who is so ashamed of his behaviour he hides behind the name B.A. Ware, how droll!) clearly kiss the ring of their puppet masters.

Many will remember that in an attempt to stiffle the truth Paul NuttAll the unelected Faragista Fan Club puppet chairman of EUkip wrote a pack of lies, which I presume are still in the Archive and based upon these lies Anthony Butcher corruptly and dishonestly bowed to the lies and hounded me for telling the truth on his Forum - I was expected to lie by omission and be as dishonest and untrustworthy as Anthony Butcher & Brendan Padmore who provide a platform for the lies of EUkip and their corrupt and dishonest supporters such as Douglas Denny, Paul NuttAll, Bob Feel Martinis, Mark Croucher, Mick McGough and their ilk.

Regularly defamatory statements are made about me and NEVER corrected though they come without a shred of evidence and I am denied any right of reply let alone the right to present the facts or even since it is a Forum beset with similar dishonesty and abuse I am denied the right to behave similarly.

It is interesting to note that the dishonest and unethical Anthony Butcher who now actively seeks status and probably income in support of the Declan Ganley Libertas debacle - be minded of his claimed expertise and desire for status with Ganley it is quite incredible that Anthony Butcher lacked either the integrity or the intelligence to warn Declan Ganley to register the name Libertas UK.

Knowing how dishonest Butcher is and how computer illiterate Farage is one has to wonder if he was party to the registration of Libertas UK in the name of Farage's friend and press officer Bridget Rowe.

I note that yet again to aid EUkip in the suppression of the truth Anthony Butcher has issued a warning to a poster on his Forum for stating a FACT - that being that Peter Reeve is subject of a Police Complaint for the common assault of a EUkip member whom he had invited to a EUkip public meeting.

Peter REEVE EUkip's BNP look alike knuckle dragger and Party fixer, bully boy and liar assaulted John West at a EUkip meeting.

A complaint was made to Cambridgeshire Police.

The complaint was given the enquiry case number: CF0669431208

The Police have taken 4 independent statements I understand.

I am aware that 3 statements supported the veracity of the complaint.

To suppress these FACTS Anthony Butcher has lied saying no such case existed and has threatened to ban the poster.

Many of you will recall that some time ago Brendan Padmore dishonestly and corruptly removed me from the list with the support and collusion of his dishonest chum Butcher, based on the lies of EUkip in their claim that Peter Reeve WAS NOT under investigation for Common Assault when it was a FACT that he was.

I am thus banned for life for telling the truth whilst these dishonest individuals collude to provide a platform for regular and defamatory statements regarding me.

Brendan Padmore & Anthony Butcher are thus clearly dishonest, corrupt and beneath contempt, supporting the distribution of defamation, insults, cyber attacks and lies on their Forum misleading and thus promoting lies to the members of the Forum in the suppression of the truth.

I wonder if Declan Ganley and Libertas EU are aware of the dishonesty of their little chum Anthony Butcher? Perhaps the individual Anthony Butcher has recently dishonestly threatened with a warning will feel it appropriate to inform Ganley & Libertas!

Based on my experiences they will be happy to be known as liars and in support of dishonesty - you need only glance at their Forum to see they make no effort to prevent defamation, insults, dishonesty, outright lies and the suppression of the truth - It speaks volumes of their integrity, lack of morality and ethical failure.

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.

NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU's CAP - In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS - GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

#404* - MATRIX CONTRIBUTION & EUkip DILEMA

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

MATRIX MAKE A GREAT CONTRIBUTION & HELP RESOLVE THE EUkip DILEMA!

Hi,

after a 45 minute conference with one of the top Silks at Matrix Chambers and some excellent details to study, plus answers to a number of questions that I had the opportunity to put together with John West's clarifications and his solicitor - now comes the time for our own deliberations.

The Silk was able to show various ways forward, each with its own benefits and its own costs - there is no problem on funding merely a question of just how far it is worth persuing EUkip and which aspects provide the best course of action.

On the principle of if one conjoins in a mud wrestling competition with pond life one must expect duplicity, dishonesty and corruption it is MY PERSONAL judgement that although, as the Judge in the allocation hearing advised a Judicial Review - the standards of provenance and timing are more critical and although the penalties for EUkip may prove greater the case can procede with greater certainty of a conclusively beneficial outcome through other means.

EUkip can always use the defence that they have a reputation of dishonesty and corruption easily proven and irrefutable for our prosecution case, therefore to expect honesty or integrity from them when entering an agreement contractually is unreasonable. This defence of implied expectation of dishonesty might stand up in a Judicial Review leaving the matter to fall on a timed out basis.

Delaying still leaves the possibility of what is normally known as a writ of mandamus though now dumbed down in nomenclature so that even the thickest of the plod will recognise it as 'A Mandate' though a term which does not convey its ability to those with more than 3 brain cells. A policy changed by the present Government to more readily align with the dumbed down education system they force upon us - just as, although against the will of the Lord Chancellor, the scope of Judicial Review has been much broadened in the last couple of years to include many more bodies than the formerly narrow field of public bodies, now including more aspects of the structure of Governance even including the some 7,500 QUANGOs mainly created by the present Government as a mop of and sop to the unemployed and unemployable new middle class.

Therefore let us consider the other alternatives where the probabilities are greater and where the verdict is a near certainty, leading to more substantial compensation, rather than a more consequential outcome!

It is also worth considering that the QC's time is costing at £500/hour research/opinion and £1,000/hour conference and considerably more in Court time although if we went to a Judicial Review as the Judge suggested the costs may outweigh the gains, thus it is potentially wise to make the matter self liquidating by taking the damages from the lesser case to pay the costs of the greater albeit the clear probability is that costs will be awarded in view of the extensive and irrefutable evidence held.

That the possibility of a Judicial Review is in no way harmed by current abeyisance EUkip will be in receipt of a letter concerning the first steps on Monday or Tuesday, which will leave them in no doubt that their position is parlous and perpetuation of their crano rectally retentive avoidance will harm their position yet further.

It is clear that EUkip is aware that it has created for itself problems beyond their wit and competence and is resorting in the short term to an attempt to discredit those it has created as enemies - this of course will prove massively damaging when the cases come to court.

The unleashing of a series of naive kids and useful idiots masquerading with silly names will serve them ill as the linkage of their lies can be clearly established and no amount of further dishonest slurs can do other than exacerbate EUkip's already notable problems.

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU's CAP - In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS - GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

#403* - Tom WISE EUkip MEP Up-Date

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

Tom WISE EUkip MEP & HIS CO- CONSPIRATOR an Up-Date!

Hi,

Tom Wise EUkip MEP until his membership ran out in March and he declined to renew it as he knew he would not have need of it for much longer as being currently under arrest and due to present to bail today with an expectation of being charged and the probability of prison one assumes he adjudged his £20 membership fee would be a bit of a waste of money.

I understand that Tom Wise and his co-conspirator who is also I understand under arrest are due to present to bail today.

I hear that they are likely to face no further questioning either on fraud or mortgages etc. but the Bedfordshire Police are likely to follow the advice/instruction of the CPS and will merely re-bail them until I believe the 22-May-2009 under the auspices of The DPP.

This leads me to believe the CPS have considered the evidence and the case in its entirety and feel that the can of worms that has been opened is rather larger than their remit and due to the political angle will be best handled by The DPP.

The indication I deduce is that The CPS must therefore be minded that there is not only a case to answer but that it is not only substantive but substantial and thus for higher attention.

It is my opinion that they have also considered the timing and are loath to create any image of political timing for EUkip to dishonestly bleat about - to have charged them today would of course lead to publicity during the election period and clearly The EU and the British Government find EUkip to be absolutely inconsequential, as was shown if you measure the gravitas and sound bite of Dan Hannan surrounded by individuals of substance and stature CLICK HERE in his eviceration of Gordon Brown and the mere posturing (good though it was) of little Nigel Farage and the irrelevant nebishes around him, on the same subject LINK

The EU, The Government in Brusells, neither Brown nor Cameron nor The Electoral Commission nor OLAF, Police or CPS wish to greatly damage EUkip in the run up to an election as they are usefull idiots, who have done absolutely nothing of consequence for these United Kingdoms to date but laterly are swinging into action - NOT to defend Britain but to get themselves back on the gravy train!

It is my opinion that Tom Wise and his co-conspirator are likely to be bailed again at about, or on May 22 until early June when they can be charged with no risk of political damage to EUkip who are much needed to give credence to the democracy of the EU as useful idiots and also after the elections Tom Wise can be charged as a mere individual rather than opening the bigger can - that of charging an MEP and his acomplice!

One of the first maxims of politics is - 'If you intend to open a can of worms, first make sure you have a bigger can'.

I do apreciate much of this eMail, though grounded on fact has perforce to be speculation as I am giving my personal opinion on events in the future - that is not to say that during the 4.1/2 years I have persued the details of these crimes as they have been extensively covered in the media, I have been wrong on a single detail I have published. When called a liar by some of the pond life of EUkip for stating facts it has been a great temptation to publish the evidence that is in the hands of the police but when accused of lies one merely needs to consider the source of the accusations who have been proved wrong so regularly and dishonest so consistently and distastefull so constantly!

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU's CAP - In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS - GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

#402* - BROADBANGED!!

Hi,

Sorry I have been off the internet since last Sunday afternoon - due to the failure of a part in a modem which BT had difficulty tracing.

I now have a new and yet more complex bit of kit and a more rapid and more comprehensive connection which permits my various computers on line completely independently of each other.

The connection is MUCH faster and the security systems even more comprehensive.

I'm afraid the spell checker is no better ;-( and I do not have time to reread material which I write for spelling errors!) anyway - surely ensurinfg the veracity of the facts published as I do - never ONCE having made a significant error by accident (I concede I made an insignificant error which I corrected within 15 minutes of it being pointed out and there is one far from significant error still on the blog which no one has spotted which since it harms no one I have left in situ until it is spotted and brought to my attention).

Obviously there is no value from my point of view in publishing anything that is other than accurate and checked where possible - hence people like Douglas Denny, The Common Croucher, Bob FM, Brendan Padmore (B.A. Ware), Mick McGough and their like make such fools of themselves with their lies and distortions.

Anyway please accept my apologies for my unscheduled absence due to techie problems way beyond my comprehension!

PLEASE let me know if you EVER spot an error in something I have published and it will, I promise, be corrected immediately it is substantiated.

Thank you for your help and pateience.

With regard to my spelling - you may find this of some interest:

If you can read the following paragraph, pass it on to your friends or just give them the URL of this specific Blog

Only great minds can read this!
This is weird, but interesting!

fi yuo cna raed tihs, yuo hvae a sgtrane mnid too Cna yuo raed tihs?

Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. i cdnuolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg.

The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frs it and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae.

The rset can be a taotl mses and you can s itll raed it whotuit a pboerlm.

Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Azanmig huh?

yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt!

if you can raed tihs forwrad it

FORWARD THE URL ONLY IF YOU CAN READ IT

I only want really really smart people to read my blog!!!

On the matter of techie - I wonder if anyone is in touch with Matt Davies would they mind asking him to give me a call. No Problems I merely want to ask him for techie assistance on a small detail.

Thanks,

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 - 62 65 62

Sorry must dash I have to write up the details of Tom Wise and his collaborator who are under arrest and present to bail today ;-)

That should be posted within an hour.

G.L-W.

#401* - ANOTHER LIE FROM Douglas DENNY

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

ANOTHER LIE FROM EUkip NEC MEMBER & SERIAL LIAR Douglas DENNY!

Hi,

Recently Douglas Denny has been bringing EUkip into disrepute as an NEC member by telling a series of lies about Petrina Holdsworth - I appreciate that none but the utterly stupid believe much, if anything, that Douglas Denny is happy to put his name to!

Douglas Denny has a long record of proven dishonesty and corruption even stooping to the level of revisionist re-writing of EUkip NEC Minutes, cheating in elec tions, corruption and dishonesty in the leadership election for which the NEC voted unanimously to dump him as Returning Officer.

Douglas Denny has lied so often about me he seems to be trying for a record - he believes that if he states something often enough, without ANY substantive provenance, it in some way becomes a truth!

The lies about Petrina Holdsworth on what was UKIPForum and is now rather laughably called The British Democracy Forum which is corruptly and dishonestly owned by Anthony Butcher and Moderated most actively by Brendan Padmore, who is so ashamed of his behaviour he calls himself B.A. ware! They dishonestly provide a platform for lies from EUkip and its more dishonest supporters l;ike Denny, Bob Feel Martinis, Mark Croucher and similar pond life.

Recently Douglas Denny has invented a completely dishonest scenario regarding his corruption, with Gerard Batten of an utterly corrupt EUkip Kangaroo Court brought based upon lies and self interest by the duplicitous Derek Clark against Peter Butcher, which in shame Derek Clark folded and ran away from when he realised his lies and dishonesty were about to be exposed by valid and accurate witnesses and even the dishonesty of the self important fool Douglas Denny could not shelter him - his case collapsed in farce, exposed for what it was.

You may find the following comment of Douglas Denny in his dishonest and strident denial of his dishonest and unpleasant claims of 'mental health' problems of John West - besides the following communication from Denny in response to Geoffrey Collier, which is in the public domain - I am aware of 3 sworn statements confirming that Douglas Denny has lied on this issue.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey Collier
Douglas D: As both you and BobFM punctuate virtually every other word with either lie or liar, were both of you taught by the same elocution teacher? Rather like people who use that dreadful phrase, 'gob-smacked'; doesn't the very inelegance of such words and terms repulse you? Being the fruit of foreign-loins, BobFM has a slight excuse; but what's your story Denny?

My "story" is that any claim that I have accused Mr. West of mental illness is a lie. Direct and unequivocal.

In case you are not familiar with the definition: a lie is "an untruth made with the deliberate intent to deceive".

I will allow that Mr. West may think I have accused him of such, in which case he is in error and confused. Or, most likely and possibly, he has been erroneously informed in this way by the incredibly nasty person who was thrown off the NEC... who would then be the person to start and promulgate the lie. Which would not surprise me in the least as said person is the most unpleasant person I have ever met in politics and is, in my opinion, fully capable of such manipulations.

I remember well the occasion when another person made comments which might be constued that way, but I was not involved in those comments.

I will not allow that Mr. 'Junius' is confused, as he is simply a liar.
And has been proven to be a liar on a number of occasions here on this forum time and again. Why do I call him a liar - because he has promulgated "information" here on this forum which he says is true and I know with certainty to be otherwise ... and obviously done with the intent to deceive.
In other words, it follows therefore he is a LIAR.

Comprende now Geoffrey?
It's quite simple really.

DED.
The original of this pack of lies can be seen at CLICK HERE

----- Original Message -----
From: "Geoffrey Collier"
To: "Douglas Denny"
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:01 PM
Subject: Politids and the need for wisdom.

> Dear Douglas,
>
> Is there not a danger that you may at times, over-rate your political
> talents?
> I don't mind you criticising me, or linking me with others as in an e-mail I
> received to-day,
> and dismissing me and the rest as malcontents. I don't mind that kind of
> abuse, but I do think that you could well harm yourself, and incur much
> expense at the same time.
>
> Presumably you are aware that once the judicial review has completed its
> work, irrespective of the findings, the Metropolitan Police will be
> re-commencing their investigations into the UKIP Lottery.
> That will be more than sufficient reason to ask the Electoral Commission for
> a forensic audit.
> The El. Com. could hardly refuse, given their own experience of people like
> Andrew Smith, and I doubt if they would want to.
>
> We can only speculate as to what will happen to Tom Wise on the 29th, of
> this month, but it is not improbable that he could well be prosecuted. I
> don't wish any individual harm, but with eleven separate actions pending,
> those on the NEC could well find that they are the subject of a 'call' as
> they describe it at Lloyds. With a declining house market, it is not a good
> time to seek loans using houses as collateral.
>
> Although you are inclined to blame the membership for all our ills, why are
> we confronting representation to societies like Mind, concerning UKIP's
> habit of using psychiatric illness as a term of abuse. Zuckerman, I
> understand, calls everyone he dislikes, as suffering from Tourettes Syndrome
> Nigel Farage called someone spastic, as a term of abuse, in Chichester
> Technical College, This is always unfortunate, but this kind of publicity
> being made by a charities against us is unacceptable.
> You must remember, that Nigel Farage had close National Front member as his
> chosen election companion, In addition, seeking out an extreme Libertarian,
> who is tolerant of those who possess
> bomb-making literature and child pornography, is not the kind of person we
> should seek-out as MEP candidates; with even a favoured listing-place being
> discussed. This should not be imposed upon any party, and we should not be
> asked to remain silent about it. Do you imagine that the national press will
> not be using this against us in the Euro-elections?
>
> We are informed on the forum that Campbell Bannerman's true identity is
> known, and that is to be revealed closer to the election. Surely the time
> has come for that unfortunate to leave the party at least, if not public
> life.
>
> Those constant accusations about NEC leaks, recalcitrant members, wreckers,
> and every other malcontent, the facts remain that the salaried members have
> always been our fatal flaw. No, Douglas,
> I fear that your analysis is in want of revision. I suppose, however, your
> situation is slightly better that that of Croucher's, for he may be needing
> plenty of funds if my informants are correct.
>
> Geoffrey C.

From: douglas denny

To: Geoffrey Collier
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: Politics and the need for wisdom.

Geoffrey,
As I have said before - I quite like you as a person - always pleasant and cheerful, full of bonhomie and quite fun / in fact highly amusing to listen to your ramblings, but you are the Tommy Cooper of politics: great fun but no substance.

You have been telling me for far too long about the demise of UKIP; the demise of various leaders of same; dire happenings to and about individuals and events which were going to be the downfall of UKIP. (Like Ashford ...I recall was going to become the Achilles Heel of UKIP with the Income Tax people down on our necks like a ton of bricks you once said ad nauseum.... {wot happened to that then?}.......)

None of which has happened yet. You are the boy who cries 'wolf' - and have done so too many times for me to take you seriously anymore.

UKIP will continue like a planet in its orbit just the same with or without your protestations of doom and despondency.

For my part I am heartilly sick of the obvious machinations of the group of malcontents (of which you are one) who are trying to consistently bring down the leader, and UKIP in general with your bleatings about "probity" and "cleaning-up" UKIP. It is all (sorry for the expletive which I know you do not approve of but is appropriate here on a one to one basis with someone I know) - a complete load of bollocks !

I am big enough, old enough and ugly enough to know the difference between reasoned, reasonable, antipathy and prolonged unreasoned attack. You are into the latter category.

I do not know your background sufficiently well to know whether you are merely a willing dupe in this process, as a small bit-part acolyte of another outside conspiracy/agency involved; or whether you are just suffering from OCD with an obsessive fixation with UKIP and Farage/Ashford in particular; either way you display an overly obsessive disposition to what is only a small political party hammering its way into the British political scene with minor difficulties which by comparison with the major parties are piffling.
This obsessive condition seems to be a common disorder too with some in (and out of) UKIP, in that John West displays the same kind of disposition; and GLW too; and Edmond ....in fact all the "malcontents" ... could it be that the commonality is an anti-UKIP network? or are you all mad?

I do know you are part of a network using the internet e-mail system for co-respondence which appears to have the objective of how you can coordinate attacks on UKIP. You have made mistakes in the past handling information I gave you on a one-to-one basis which I know with certainty link you with GLW ...and yes I know your protestations about never having any contact with him - which is bollocks too - as indirect contact is still viable through your anti-UKIP network and you well know that.

The tragedy of it is, I used to look up to you and your elevated seniority in UKIP in the early days of knowing you, when you were sensible, and you used to speak great sense at the Chichester meetings and think you were a great person, a philosopher who looked deeply into the issues and came out with profound wisdom..... then you went away somewhere and had a lobotomy and returned full of bile and spittle and a burning hatred to bring down Nigel Farage and UKIP along with it. Everything then on from you was nonsense. You now appear to everyone on the forum as a figure of fun ..and it is of your own making with your outrageously silly ideas - especially about Ashford. Most unfortunate.

I look on with amazement at the antics of the idiot John West; and others... and have had sent to me in an e-mail the latest unmitigated drivel of GLW about D.Campbell-Bannerman (and who in the public domain gives a toss what his name is? no one is the answer, and certainly not I ! ); and then there is your contribution every now and then - like the one to me just now - and I think to myself.. these people are either completely mad, or are a part of a conspiracy.
I go for the conspiracy.

I think you (all) are linked to BNP or the Conservatives through an organised network to destabilise UKIP. You can deny it as much as you like - but I consider the signs are there clearly enough to indicate that, and using the Serlock Holmes technique .. when everything else has been eliminated and you are left with only one alternative, then that has to be the truth of it. You are part of it Geoffrey, whether you actually know it - or not.

As for all your doomsday scenario you have portreyed .... we shall see. None of your predicitions has come to pass yet. Maybe you might get lucky and something might come of it. I doubt it very much; and if it does, I doubt any of it will be a problem to UKIP.

The world situation with the banking sytem in dissarray, and the Euro close to collapse, our job in UKIP might just be superfluous anyway as we watch the whole thing collpase in recriminations between the EU member states arguing about how to save the financial system from collapse and hanging onto their money and economies.
Your bleatings/protestations and those of the other malcontents pale into insignificance.........

Best regards,
Douglas.

P.S. ignor spelling/typos canot be bothered to check... you'll get the meaning of it all.
P.P.S I am not bothered if you want to promulgate this, it will be interesting to see what you do ...

So clearly Douglas Denny is yet again proven a liar.

Clearly there are many other examples of lies by Douglas Denny, in fact anything of merit from Denny seems invisible.

I have followed EUkip with some detailed attention, firstly in optimism seeing it as possibly the only lifeboat for our Country but increasingly I realised that the very lifeboat I had supported had amongst its crew a disease as dangerous and contageous as Yellow Fever. There are times when it is essential for the common good to not just sink and destroy a ship coming into a port but also to quarantine all aboard.

As the disease has spread through the leadership, NEC & MEPs and even inexorably through most in its staff and some of its more ambitious supporters - the need to sink this particular lifeboat and quarantine its cres becomes more important.

Douglas Denny is not the only liar in EUkip's so called leadership and it is hard to identify ANYONE who could be described as honest amongst the MEPs, NEC and leadership as they have to a man colluded in the corruption.

It is interesting to note Denny's sordid comment and utter indifference to dishonesty and corruption:

the latest unmitigated drivel of GLW about D.Campbell-Bannerman (and who in the public domain gives a toss what his name is? no one is the answer, and certainly not I ! );

Denny shows he has absolutely no understanding of ethics, save as a theoretical study, no knowledge of the need for honesty and no leadership skills as demanding trust.

It is not WHO David Bannerman's ancestors are it is that he has deliberately lied for personal gain at the expense of the reputation of The Party - similar to the lies of Nigel Farage or the lies of Derek Clark, the dishonesty and corruption of Andrew Smith, Mick McGough and so many others.

It is the duplicity and dishonesty of individuals like Jeffrey Titford, Stuart Gulleford, Gerard Batten, Mark Croucher, Christopher Gill, Annabelle Fuller and of course on a serial and public basis the moronic comments of Bob Feel Martinis, Stuart Parr, Joshua Onyons and their ilk.

It is not that they have lied nor the lies they have told it is that this has become endemic as a defence of EUkip.

Denny is right - no one cares who David Bannerman's ancestors are, few care who he is - it is the FACT that not only is he a liar and a cheat it is that EUkip and low lifes like Denny find it acceptable that through a process of dishonesty this dishonest failure of humanity has been PLACED as lead candidate in utter contempt of the members and the British Public.

It is that EUkip has such contempt for the public that it has parachuted in, contra its own rules, the discreditted Marta Andreasen and has not only dragged EUkip into the gutter thereby but has willingly befouled the reputation of Lord Pearson who has misguidedly trusted the scum that now steer this toxic lifeboat.

The real tragedy is that someone so bereft of values and so corrupt as Douglas Denny can be seen as acceptable company for members of EUkip's leadership and NEC - that he openly lies and clearly has absolutely no understanding of morality or even simple honesty such that he shows he is so stupid as not to even keep his own corrupt council.

As with every other Blog I have written I am clearly open to challenge and willing to present for cross examination of the facts I have lead. As many will know - I have been able and willing to prove the truth of every Blog comment I have published to date.

I see it as praise indeed that I am accused of being obsessed with honesty and integrity, morality and probity - my ancestors would indeed be proud - well until they realised who had made the accusation as Douglas Denny's word carries little value!!

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU's CAP - In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS - GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

#400* - EUkip MEP FACING FRAUD CHARGES

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

EUkip MEP Tom WISE FACING FRAUD CHARGES, WILL FARAGE BE CHARGED FOR RECEIVING STOLEN MONEY & LINDSAY JENKINS BE CHARGED FOR CONSPIRACY?

Hi,

The article in The Sunday Times today says it all but hides all also.

MEP awaits fraud decision

A British MEP, Tom Wise, will hear this week whether he will face fraud charges.
Wise, who formerly represented the UK Independence party and now sits in the European parliament as an independent, is to answer bail on Friday.
He was arrested in June after The Sunday Times revealed that he had allegedly siphoned off nearly £40,000 of taxpayers’ money by claiming it was being paid to a researcher. He is unlikely to stand for re-election in June.

To view the original article in The Sunday times CLICK HERE

Remember Nigel farage's lies a year ago:

From Times Online
March 1, 2007
UKIP in disarray after MEP is suspended over fraud allegation
David Charter, Europe Correspondent

The UK Independence Party’s troubles deepened yesterday as it suspended one of its MEPs after allegations that he had embezzled European funds. Two other MEPs who were upset by the decision then threatened to leave the party.

Tom Wise, MEP for the East of England, had the party whip withdrawn after failing to tell Nigel Farage, leader of the party, that the EU anti-fraud office was investigating claims that he had wrongly received up to £40,000 in payments for an assistant.

Mr Farage suspended Mr Wise after first learning of the official fraud inquiry from last week’s edition of The Sunday Times. The MEP had known since the start of the month.
The newspaper claimed that he spent £6,500 on a dark green Peugeot 406.

Mr Wise’s suspension, decided at a heated party meeting in Brussels, was challenged by Roger Knapman, the former leader, and Mike Nattrass, MEP for the West Midlands, who threatened to consider their own future in the party, The Times understands.

The split among MEPs added further to UKIP’s problems after the Electoral Commission ordered it to forfeit £367,697 last month because the donor did not appear on the electoral register.

Mr Knapman and Mr Nattrass are understood to have told Mr Farage that they will let him know next week whether they will continue under his leadership. The suspension of Mr Wise leaves UKIP with nine serving MEPs, down from the twelve who won seats at the 2004 European elections when the party received 16.8 per cent of the vote.

Robert Kilroy-Silk left UKIP in 2005 to set up his own party, Veritas, and then resigned from that to be an Independent. UKIP has also parted company with Ashley Mote, MEP for the South East, who allied himself to the far-right Identity, Tradition and Sovereignty Group in the European Parliament.

Mr Wise is alleged to have pretended that his own bank account was that of his researcher, Lindsay Jenkins, against EU rules. From November 2004 until October 2005 he is alleged to have channelled £39,100 into it, from which he paid Ms Jenkins £13,555.

When the allegations surfaced, Mr Wise began repaying £25,530. An official inquiry was formally begun last month and may delve into UKIP accounts.

It is understood that Mr Wise admitted at yesterday’s meeting that he used some of the money to buy a car.

UKIP said that the suspension was not a prejudgment and that Mr Wise would be welcomed back if cleared. Mr Farage said: “I think there is a great deal of public sympathy for us.”
Party politics
- The UK Independence Party was formed in 1993 at the London School of Economics by members of the Anti-Federalist League
- In 1999 won three seats in the European Parliament with 7 per cent of the vote
- In 2004 Robert Kilroy-Silk joined. The party won 12 seats in the European election with 16.8 per cent of vote. In 2005 Mr Kilroy-Silk resigned after failing to become leader
- The party contested 497 seats at the 2005 election
- It got its first foothold in Parliament this year when two peers defected

Farage claimed that he had withdrawn the whip - interestingly EUkip does not have a whip in the EUropean Parliament and it is interesting to know that Farage has known about this Fraud, Embezzlement & theft of tax payers money (falling under 'Money Laundering' laws) as explained by the media in detail since before the conference in 2006 - in fact Nigel Farage had received some of the money from that which Tom Wise is alleged to have stolen in collusion with Lindsay jenkins who signed the paperwork to create the instrument by which the fraud took place.

Nigel Farage had one of his debts paid with the money in question and was aware that Tom Wise had funded the debt.

It is interesting to note that Lindsay Jenkins may also be charged having been questioned under caution. I understand from various sources that Lindsay Jenkins has been further questioned recently but I have only heard this from sources known to me but I am given to believe this has not been directly regarding fraud by Tom Wise - though if you read the 'Money Laundering' laws it may be regarding completely different matters she is helping the police with.

It is interesting also to note that EUkip has held numerous enquiries to try to cover-up the Tom Wise 'incident', the last major enquiry was that held by Trevor Colman.

Trevor Colman was appointed in the belief that by having a retired senior police officer appointed this time the cover-up would be believed! We are well aware that Trevor Colman established the offence to all intent and purposes but was instructed to drop the enquiry and NOT present his report to the NEC.

Similarly we understand that a part of the corruption was that Douglas Denny set out to persecute Niall warry to prevent his efforts to have Tom Wise brought before a Disciplinary Committee for having brought EUkip into disrepute - which he indubitably has. Similarly there was a contingency plan to dump ALL of the blame on Lindsay Jenkins and also an attempt to pretend that Petrina Holdsworth had orchestrated the apparent crime in an attempt to take control of the money as a salary for herself.

Sadly Trevor Colman, despite having been a senior police officer, lacked the moral fibre or for that matter fundamental ethics to hand over his file of evidence gained to the police, something we understand he has now done having been asked for it by the police. Sad that a retired officer has to be asked to actually do his duty! I wonder if he could see a way to make £1,000,000 as an MEP whether he would similarly not have reported a murder he had evidence of!!

We note that Gerard Batten believes that crime should be covered up and Titford is only too happy to lie to persecute those who have the timerity to speak out against crime as reported, a corruption of EUkip disciplinary structure in which Ma Zucherman has colludeed with Gulleford, Bannerman, Graham Dines and that evil geriatric Derek Clark who has so betrayed our Country in collusion with Nigel Farage.

It starts to look as if there is no one with any understanding of moralityt in EUkip's leadership, NEC, MEPs, candidates or leading supporters.

Interestingly you will note that Trevor Colman is the lead candidate in the SW to be an MEP, it starts to look as if he keeps his silence in return for personal gain. It is openly discussed that he has been disgusted at the behaviour of Graham Booth during his EU Parliamentary soujorns and has contempt for Farage who he can't stand - yet he is happy to collude it seems, understandable in view of just howmuch he personally stands to gain if he becomes an MEP - he might even decide visits to brothels, fights with Independent journalists, rides in Ferrarri, being filmed drunk in Irish bars in Strasburgh whilst filmed by some works office ganger in the Tory Party, despite the efforts of his parasites.

He may even decide to buy a flat near the parliament that can be charged out to expenses most profitably, alternatively he may decide to buy an Aston Martin when he retires on his huge second pension. I wonder if he has had explained to him that the office allowance of about £40,000 a year can be paid directly into his EU pension fund tax free.

We note just howmuch candidates are prepared to lie and cheat to get their snouts into the troughs on the gravy train - just look at the liar and cheat David Bannerman and the dishonesty and anger of Golom when he saw the chances slipping away or the antics of Towler, willingly putting EUkip's reputation at risk, to take his one chance of obscene self enrichment.

We note that Farage's unelected puppet chairman has not only been strutting around promoting himself as the next leader if Farage can be ousted but despite his cosmetic surgery and his BNP looks he will find he has to fight Bannerman for the status and Bannerman is without ethics, morality or even common decency - a liar all too willing to cheat his colleagues with implausible drivel about his ancestors which show his inadequacy and Walter Mitty personality.

Who cares who Bannerman's ancestors were, that he is or is not the long lost descendent of an irrelevant prime minister of over a century ago - that he is or isn't related is irrelevant but what is relevant is the fact that not only was he willing to cheat and lie but he cared nothing of the reputation of EUkip such that he was willing to lie to enhance his personal chances of getting his snout in the trough.

Similarly the political prostitute Marta Andreasen - it is not a matter of her competence it is a matter of her integrity - here is a woman who not only prostituted her values to get her snout in the troughs - if the first principles don't work she seems readily prepared tpo have conflicting values. That she has cheated, having failed to get on the lists of OTHER parties, to get on EUkip's lists speaks volumes of her lack of morality - that she failed to inform The EU in her CV that she had been suspended by The OECD for 15 or 18 months without pay and lost her case which included racism.

Despite this becoming known to the EU for whom I understand she only worked for some 3 months having been suspended facing removal - we understand for reasons other than supposed whistle blowing which we understand was trumped up AFTER her suspension became inevitable! Perhaps the reason that she lost her case against The EU as she had regarding the OECD.

There is no apparent record that the NEC or those who 'took her on' in EUkip had any idea of this woman's duplicitous background. This woman will be a major part in the downfall of EUkip - just as the lies about Tom Wise and the whip will come out in court if he is charged later this week - as many of you will have noticed neither Ashley Mote nor Robert Kilroy Silk sit with EUkip in The EP but Tom Wise sits directly behind Farage!

Do also note that when EUkip flock back into the EP Chamber out of hours to make all those hail to the glorious leader soundbite video clips who should be sitting with EUkip but Tom Wise - just as he can be seen on film clip after film clip since it was CLAIMED by Farage that he had 'acted immediately and suspended him' remember the lie on News Nights surprise: there is Tom Wise holding up banners WITH Farage.

One has to wonder which part of honesty EUkip might not understand or might it be more accurate to ask if they have the vaguest clue what honesty is! Is this moral dyslexia induced virally by self interest and greed for authority and income?

The thought of integrity flies out of the window relative to EUkip when you realise its leader issues a directive and promises the electorate that EUkip will be different and will NOT employ family members only to be exposed employing his own wife and paying he £25,000 a year salary, which I understand from gossip has increased, and as a UNITED KINGDOM indipendence party banks 100s of 1,000s of pound of money he has obtained off shore!

If like Caesars wife one is elected to The Senate to campaign against corruption it ill becomes them to be endlessly caught turning tricks behind the marble pillars and leaning on those indebted to one to act as hit men attacking those who thereaten the route to their trough, be it child abuse, fraud, drunkeness, whoring, bullying, nepotism, vote rigging, cover-ups, favouritism, salaried praise singers etc.

By the way I gather UKFirstParty plan on having their web site up and running on Tuesday this will probably force EUkip to act to replace their web site after the end of this month, though I gather Rod Trelease who runs the Bournemouth web site, which is without doubt the best EUkip web site, he has been turned down to run a new site - probably because he can't be relied on to sing 14 verses of praise to the leader for The Faragista Fan Club daily!

Let us see.

UKFirstParty will not only aim to improve on the integrity of EUkip by preventing anyone without a full and checkable CV or embroilled in EUkip 'fiddles' from being an officer of the party - thus it seems Delboy Young will be unable to stand past their first internal elections without providing a CV - something EUkip never bothered obtaining from him - possibly explaining why in all the time he was on the NEC he had virtually no influence and if he writes some sort of exposee of EUkip now he has left it will be of little value as he falls into the Mandy Rice Davies trap 'well he would say that wouldn't he....' thus such a statement without a CV would damage UKFirstParty more than EUkip.

Just as although EUkip has so far managed to avoid exposure of the obfuscation of the Welsh accounts and the correspondence between Bruce Lawson and Robin Collett. Was the £170,000 that was recorded as spent in Wales, yet seemingly without receipts etc. the dynamite story that Bruce Lawson so frerquently proclaimed and endlessly failed to deliver and the £20,000 dispute with Farage also trailed but never delivered.

Until the details are clarified IN FULL clearly it will seem that Bruce Lawson is so embroilled in this aparent electoral 'confussion' that he is unfit to hold any position whatsoever in UKFirstParty. The danger for UKFirstParty is the fact that two of its founder members Delboy Young & Bruce Lawson had official roles in EUkip - Del over a number of years colluded in NEC corruption by failing to speak out and thus let his electorate down and he has never explained his current employment, other than VERY loosely and has NEVER provided a CV.

Lawson, on the other hand, never did speak out regarding the corrupt accounts and camer out with the staggering statement when he took over the unprofessional and incomplete accounts Andrew Smith left behind when he 'legged it' unable to disassociate himself from some 28 critical (if not criminal) conditions exposed by cross examination, Lawson's statement was 'I'm not interested in what happened in the past', this on books he was PERSONALLY & PROFESSIONALLY accepting responsibility for!

I believe both these men are fatally flawed whatever political talent they may or may not pretend to or how they may have turned over a new leaf. They just don't have a right to lead or ask others to vote for them, if they can not see this simple fact then my point is clearly made!

The involvement of these two may well shut UKFirstParty down before it gets going, however much many of us may hope not. I am a firm believer in NOT keeping babies alive if all they will do is suffer to die well before their prime!

TO LEAVE THE EU

What is the exit and survival plan for these United Kingdoms to maximise on the many benefits of leaving The EU. It is the DUTY of our Politicians and Snivil Cervants to ensure the continuity, liberty and right to self determination of our peoples they have a DUTY to protect against crime and secure both our food and our border.
NONE of these DUTIES has a single British politician upheld for 40 years. They have drawn their incomes fraudulently and dishonesty.

Politicians are failing to tell the truth, but so are almost all wanabe Politicians, the MSM and Snivil Cervants.

The fact is that even if EVERY British MEP wanted change in The EU it would achieve NOTHING.
Every single British Politician, of EVERY Party, elected since before we joined the EUropean Common Market, has promised to change The EU's CAP - In 40 Years they have achieved absolutely NOTHING!

To try to put a value on OUR Freedom is as futile as floccipaucinihilipilification and as odious as the metissage of our societies, as we rummage in the ashes of our ancestors dreams, sacrifices and achievements, the flotsam of our hopes and the jetsam of our lives, consider the Country and Anglosphere which we leave our children and the future, with shame!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

PLEASE POST THIS TAG AS FOLLOWS:ON YOUR eMAILS & BLOGS, FORUM POSTINGS & MAILINGS - GET THE MESSAGE TO THE PEOPLE IT IS OUR BEST HOPE AS WHOEVER IS APPOINTED WILL MAKE NO DIFFERENCE AS PROVED!

I SUGGEST – since there is clearly no political party of repute, advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign, democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country. Deny the self seeking & meaningless wanabe MEPs the Mythical Mandate for which they clamour. Diktat is imposed from The EU but Law should be made at Westminster, for our Country & our Peoples.

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

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