#270* - Bob FEEL-MARTINIS' MISUNDERSTANDINGS

#270* - Bob FEEL-MARTINIS' MISUNDERSTANDINGS

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!

Bob FEEL-MARTINIS, the hapless PPC for EUkip from SWINDON (IF he can find his way home!) & CORRECTING HIS FALLACIOUS MISUNDERSTANDINGS!

Hi,

There is an interesting comment by Dr. Eric Edmond on his Blog LINK

The comments section of which I reproduce the comments to date may explain much about the twisted and duplicitous mind set of the useful idiots who Farage and his cronies have duped into support of their undeniable dishonesty and corruption - none of which represent any vestage of the values of The Britain I seek to defend.

I have altered not a single material word, as you can see for yourself if you wish at: CLICK HERE

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Bob Feal-martinez said...
What an odd way to start your latest 'critique' of the party. Do you believe it is right to utilise the official UKIP data base to send out unsanctioned and unofficial letters.

Do you not understand the damage you are doing to the party by your actions. It would several of your colleagues who put there names to the letter have denied any responsibility for the letters distribution. Why do you think that should be if the use of the UKIP data base was legitimate, as you claim.

04 February 2009 10:07


Junius said...
Eric, Do not take any notice of this Farage sycophant. He is part of the problem. He is the one helping to damage UKIP by endorsing Farage's dishonesty.

And for the record the UKIP database WAS NOT used by Roger Knapman or his colleagues.

You can now go back to sleep Bob.

04 February 2009 11:39


Comment deleted
This post has been removed by the author. (NOT ME - JUNIUS I believe)

04 February 2009 11:52


Bob Feal-martinez said...
junius, have you been allowed near a computer, you know it will have left a 'footprint'. Oh I know you obviously haven't gone to work because of the snow.

If those involved in sending out the letter have not used the data base then they will have nothing to fear when the police come calling, assuming of course it is reported.

All I would say is that if you use a mailing service it is traceable.

04 February 2009 12:02


Greg L-W. said...

Bob Feel Martinis as a founder member of The Faragista Fan Club who has only just joined EUkip - are you aware of howmuch damage you do EUkip by supporting the lies and corruption that are the leadership of EUkip.

Farage is a liar, a cheat, a fantasist and merely a failed City Barrow Boy who would seem to have spent the last 10 years stuffing his pockets.

As I predicted over 10 years ago Nigel Farage would destroy the very party he had helped build if he ever TRIED to become leader. His failure to be honestly elected was the beginning of the end and this one trick pony of a party under his incompetent and dishonest leadership has betrayed all who have supported UKIP over the years and ensured EUkip is a one hit wonder.

Surely Bob you must be just a little embarrassed to be so anti Patriotic in the manner in which you are aiding The EU's usefull idiots AND supporting the dishonesty, bullying, lies and corruption of the rotten head of EUkip.

In utter contempt at your established dishonesty,
Greg L-W.
for legally established and unchallenged FACTS
keep reading Eric's Blog or JUNIUS or
http://CaterpillarsAndButterflies.BLOGspot.com

04 February 2009 14:35


Greg L-W. said...

Hi,

Bob Feel Martinis asked:

Do you believe it is right to utilise the official UKIP data base to send out unsanctioned and unofficial letters.

May I ask if YOU feel it is right to make an accusatory assumptive lie, as ever you have no provenance - therefor your smear tactic is contemptible.

Had these Party officials used the official list, which I know they did not nor did I provide them with either my old list or my current list, I would applaud this usage as it brings democratic balance to the undeniably corrupt lies of the NEC and leadership.

Do you not understand the damage you are doing to the party by your actions.

In your confussion are you unaware that Farage's proven dishonesty and corruption and the manner in which he has contrived to abuse the interests of UKIP members and our Country is destructive and befouled as EUkip is now it is better to kill it off and the signators to the Body / Knapman / Congdon etc. letter are to be applauded for having endeavoured to clean up EUkip and make it fit for purpose - one's only criticism should be that they had lacked the sense or intergrity to take this action when Farage first encouraged corruption and abuse of the principles and values of UKIP.

It would several of your colleagues who put there names to the letter have denied any responsibility for the letters distribution.

I would assume that you are asking who distributed the balance to the grab for power of Farage - I believe it was the Royal Mail and also by eMail.

If it is your implication that ANY of the signators DID NOT put their name to this letter I contend sir that without provenance and the names of those you claim - your slur must be seen to be a lie and thus an appology is essential.

Why do you think that should be if the use of the UKIP data base was legitimate, as you claim.
Every signator put his name to the letter and the party data base was not used - thus your appology is apposite.

For their efforts to democratise and try to legitimise the behaviour of EUkip NEC and leadership with their scurrilous unbalanced and uninformative NEC letter seeking to exploit the ignorance of elderly members, I believe the Body letter authors should be praise and the party recompence them for their costs.

It is to be hoped that the entire leadership and the nodding donkeys and placemen of the NEC will have the basic integrity to stand down and leave EUkip for the harm they have done the party and the damage their dishonesty has cause these United Kingdoms.

You would be welcome to leave with them in view of your support for corruption, abuse and lies that are so counter the interests of our Country.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 - 62 65 62
http://CaterpillarsAndButterflies.BLOGspot.com

04 February 2009 15:04


Bob Feal-martinez said...
Just for the record I know how the letters were sent and which private provider sent them. I have spoken with them who confirm they send out letters from a data base provided to them.

So GLW clearly more lies from you. I bet EE loves to see you post on his blog. It really does his credibility a lot of good (Not)

04 February 2009 23:30


Bob Feal-martinez said...
AS the coward GLW doesn't allow anyone to dispute his lies on his blog, and given EE gives him a voice here I thought I would ask which Swindon he was referring to in this post:

In the last day or two he has merely strutted up and down the passages in Strasburgh fulminating at the fact that since it seems either he does NO WORK, or can't read he had not been told that there was a meeting of loyal UKIP members in Swindon. Farage is furious as he fears people discussing the truth and realises that if the truth of the corruption becomes too widespread then the honest UKIP members may well split the party leaving Farage and the filth he has gathered around him with no work force to try to get him back as an MEP - his ONLY interest in members (save only the females under 35, where possible!).

There is after all several Swindons, one in Gloucestershire,
one in Staffordshire, one in Northumberland and of course one in Wiltshire.

So which one had the meeting, given that the only meeting recently of the Wiltshire Swindon was a social function, our next meeting being our AGM on 25th February.

So GLW please state which Swindon Just for the record the Swindon Wiltshire group are loyal to the leadership. They are of course concerned that the harm being done by Knapmans letter, but most are voting Yes (according to those who have expressed a view) to the amendments.

04 February 2009 23:56


Junius said...
Bob FM you are a fool and a liar.

05 February 2009 03:23


Bob Feal-martinez said...
And your an odious cowardly parasite who makes a living and then bite the hand that feeds you.

Nothing I have written here or anywhere else is a lie. Please highlight which post on here is a lie.

Would it be a lie to say that Mr Edmond is party to a secret meeting to be held on Saturday, which is purported to be about the harmonisation of those in favour of with drawing from Europe, but apparently those that know have been told not to reveal it.

Or that the organiser of this meeting is a former UKIP senior official, or that several speakers are UKIP PPC's or MEP candidates. Would that be a lie, also.

05 February 2009 03:59


Junius said...
Temper, temper Bob. You need to control yourself. You got banned from the Forum for being stupid.

There is no secret meeting on Saturday. The agenda has now been published.

If you have the courage why not go to Swindon Railway Museum and argue your point?

Farage is too much of a coward to do so. Are you the same?

05 February 2009 11:35


Bob Feal-martinez said...
The event seems to by special invitation only and unlike certain people I do not gate crash meetings. If the organisers were interested in inviting me they would have responded to my email today. They cannot argue they didn't get it because I instigated the local press contacting them.

If the agenda has been published then perhaps you could direct me as to where.

Also we see on the Common man that Haslam has rather shot himself in the 'holier than though' foot.

In December of last year, Mr Haslam invited a number of people to a meeting at a location in West Sussex.

After the recriminations following Mr Haslams ejection from the NEC, those present were more than a little surprised to discover that the first speaker was one Buster Mottram. This was nothing compared to the stunned silence when the second speaker was introduced, for it was none other than one Mr N Griffin, BNP leader.

It is also suggested that Edmond is to defect to Libertas. Rather an odd thing to do given that that party is about remaining in Europe.

All in all the pigeons are coming home to roost, it seems the party leadership was right to take the actions they have over the last few months. I wonder how the others who signed the NO letter are feeling, having clearly been so badly betrayed by those they supported.

05 February 2009 11:49


Greg L-W. said...

Bob Feel Martinis said in italics and I respond:

Just for the record I know how the letters were sent and which private provider sent them. I have spoken with them who confirm they send out letters from a data base provided to them.

I'm sure that was no secret and so what? The data base was NOT the party data base and they did not use my original one or my current one.

So GLW clearly more lies from you.

You are very glib with your false accusations - was this your Police training! Perhaps substantiate the accusation or be man enough to appologise.

I bet EE loves to see you post on his blog. It really does his credibility a lot of good (Not)

Perhaps if you were not so ridiculously inaccurate and constantly abusive you might be taken seriously!

AS the coward GLW doesn't allow anyone to dispute his lies on his blog,

That I have comments turned off on my Newsletter Blog at:
http://CaterPillarsAndButterflies.BLOGspot.com is NOT cowardice as you well know - I just don't have time to address the plethora of idiots who would use funny names to be abusive on there and I provide my eMail on my BLOG and respond to intelligent postings on a public basis.

Unlike you who selectively censor comment on your YouTube site dishonestly & cowardly!

and given EE gives him a voice here I thought I would ask which Swindon he was referring to in this post:

Clearly in normal parlance Swindon is the scroffulous little town just North of Marlborough on the M4 corridor.

In the ... (CUT for Brevity) ...sible!.

There is after all several Swindons, one in Gloucestershire,
one in Staffordshire, one in Northumberland and of course one in Wiltshire.

There are indeed:
Swindon Gloucestershire is a SUBURB of Cheltenham though with its own village hall!

Which Swindon comes to mind when Swindon is named on the National News?

So which one had the meeting,

Who said there had BEEN a meeting?

given th ...SNIPPED FOR BREVITY ...ruary.

So GLW please state which Swindon

I suggest that YOU go to Swindon Northumberland!

Or ask someone to explain to you, as all who are coming to Swindon plan on using their intelligence!

Just for the record the Swindon Wiltshire group are loyal to the leadership. They are of course concerned that the harm being done by Knapmans letter, but most are voting Yes (according to those who have expressed a view) to the amendments.

How sad to see that Swindon Branch have opted to support corruption, dishonesty and lies - a clearly unpatriotic set of values - possibly the influence of so many foreigners in Swindon!

The BFM then responded to JUNIUS:

And your an odious cowardly parasite who makes a living and then bite the hand that feeds you.

Did you mean bites? Have you any any provenance that those who post as JUNIUS bite the hand that FEEDS them in their patriotic efforts to expose the corruption in EUkip?

If not an appology would be apposite.

Nothing I have written here or anywhere else is a lie. Please highlight which post on here is a lie.

I think you will find JUNIUS is merely alluding to the general lack of rigour in your postings relative to fact, accuracy or the truth and your anti British support of EUkip and corruption.

Would it be a lie to say that Mr Edmond is party to a secret meeting to be held on Saturday, which is purported to be about the harmonisation of those in favour of with drawing from Europe, but apparently those that know have been told not to reveal it.

In your paranoia you couldn't possibly mean the meeting in Swindon as advertised on my Blog at:
http://caterpillarsandbutterflies.blogspot.com/2009/01/246-uk-renewal-association-ltd.html
and of course in numerous other places copies of which have been supplied to almost all of the leadership and NEC of EUkip and specifically sent to Arnott, Harris, Alison and many others.

Are you surprised you were left out of the loop by your puppet masters?

Or that the organiser of this meeting is a former UKIP senior official, or that several speakers are UKIP PPC's or MEP candidates. Would that be a lie, also.

Is this a question or a continuation of your paranoid fantasies?

No one has for a moment kept any of this secret - the agenda is readily available and therte will be an honest report afterwards unlike the drivel EUkip puts out on meetings or the fantasy represented by EUkip NEC meeting minutes!

You will note that it takes time to respond to idiots and to encourage them on my blog would be a gross waste of time - since my blog is merely to publish the truth and expose corruption in a patriotic manner to actively seek exit from the EU and to publish my opinions.

You have several Blogs I note.

Why not post your scurrilous accusation and paranoid anti British activities there.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 - 62 65 62
http://CaterpillarsAndButterflies.BLOGspot.com

05 February 2009 13:23


Eric Edmond said...
I do wish BobFM could make up his mind if I am in the BNP or Libertas I have only been in one party all my life that I know of but Bob obviously knows better than I do.

05 February 2009 14:03


Junius said...
The event is NOT by special invitation.

You are clearly to cowardly to attend the meeting and are desperate to provide an excuse not to go - just like Farage.

The agenda can be found on my blog http://www.juniusonukip.blogspot.com/ and on the British Democracy Forum.

05 February 2009 15:26


Greg L-W. said...

Hi,

JUNIUS is quite right there has been loads of info. and I started commenting on it in detail on my Blog on 24-Jan-2009 having known about the registration of the Limited Company back in November as I recall.

The BFM must have been so carried away with his ego centric obsession and ducking to avoid the truth that he clearly missed it.

It is clear that he would have nothing to offer this new organisation and he is obsessed with his unpatriotic cover up of corruption and support for the discreditted leadership of EUkip.

It is my opinion that the crass behaviour of discreditted supporters like Andreasen, McGough, The BFM, Croucher, Reeve, NuttAll, Zucherman, Bannerman, Titford, Smith and their ilk will be the downfall of Farage's dwindling party and without the income from the scam he will soon leave!

Just so as many people as possible know about this meeting in Swindon that The BFM has not noticed (showing just how out of the loop he is and isolated) I have published even more details on my Blog.

One must be pleased that The BFM has brought it to the attention of the local media and I'm sure they will be made most welcome - I hope he has made it very clear he has absolutely nothing to do with the meeting as that might be something of a mill stone as many of his supporters are to the undeniably corrupt Farage.

To address some of the hapless BFM's fantasies directly, which are from his comments above and are in italics:


Also we see on the Common man that Haslam has rather shot himself in the 'holier than though' foot.

Since the web site quoted posts annonimously and is utterly discreditted - few read it save its authors as they preen I would have thought.

It is discreditted as the authors do not believe in their own scurrilous fantasies to put their names to them.

To date every item mailed to me for clarification by honest people seeking provenance or comment would seem to be either a lie or a gross distortion of a snippet of fact - thus the site can be discounted as fundamentally dishonest and as EUkip's hole gets deeper it would seem they dig harder to damage EUkip!

By all means read it to see just how fundamentally corrupt and unpleasant EUkip supporters are, when measured against the truth.

In December of last year, Mr Haslam invited a number of people to a meeting at a location in West Sussex.

I understand this is as ever a grain of truth distorted most dishonestly and libelously.

I am given to understand that Martin Hasslam who I know to be rather a politically naive but utterly decent sort - who has put a great deal of both his time and his money into UKIP to be most unpleasantly duped by the egregious filth that now runs EUkip.

I understand that not only was he 'set up' in a style not disimilar to the poor chap tucked up by our corrupt police for the Rachel Nickel murder.

I understand that Buster Motram a long term friend and associate of Farage's was a primary speaker at the event, which I believe Martin Hasslam WAS INVITED TO - without knowledge of whom his host was inviting.

I understand Martin Hasslam had no prior knowledge that there were to be speakers, one of whom is a regular escort of Farage's cousin. That Griffin of the BNP was to be present I do not believe Martin Hasslam had the vaguest clue about.

May I remind you that firstly it is I believe an offence under law to repeat a libel, or untruth with intent to damage an individual.

That said few are aware of just how revolting are the BNP and it would be a sad world that we may become like the EU where unwitting association would seem to be a crime.

It could be argued, much as Griffin and his revolting party disgust me, that he has done less harm to our Country than have Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Jack Straw and their ilk - we note that the liar and cheat McGough - also associates with Farage and the communist Jack Straw who when in office as Home Secretary endeavoured to cover for his brother, in abuse of his office, who had been sexually abusing his 14 year old son and as a result of Jack Straw's intervention went on to assault a minor and sexually harass the daughter of family friends - does that make McGough a pederast as well as a liar and a cheat?

I think not!

After the recriminations following Mr Haslams ejection from the NEC, those present were more than a little surprised to discover that the first speaker was one Buster Mottram. This was nothing compared to the stunned silence when the second speaker was introduced, for it was none other than one Mr N Griffin, BNP leader.

I believe you will agree even if this was true, which I do not believe it is - no crime has been committed.

I well recall being asked by Griffin if he could attend as a guest at a Training Weekend I was holding - I stated he was welcome as long as he respected the chairman and other guests present and the fact that I would personally renounce his party.

I had no fear of Griffin and was of the opinion that my factual knowledge would be a match for his jingo any day.

He stated the reason he wished to attend was to learn more about The EU so that his party could better address an exit strategy.

I would welcome debate with Griffin to expose the dishonesty of his party and the lack of principle of its foundations in evil and its unwillingness to announce its succour for ritual murder for entertainment.

The dishonest and the corrupt like yourself Bob Feel Martinis have endeavoured to link my name with the BNP as you have with many other lies and dishonesties you have been willing to promote.

It is also suggested that Edmond is to defect to Libertas. Rather an odd thing to do given that that party is about remaining in Europe.

I believe that you will find you are unable to substantiate this and as for my position regarding Declan Ganley's duplicitous anti women's rights, religious based Irish Party you will note my comments on:
http://LibertasUK.BLOGspot.com

All in all the pigeons are coming home to roost, it seems the party leadership was right to take the actions they have over the last few months.

Indeed the pidgeons do seem to be coming home to roost and they seem to be defecating all over your parade - a downside risk of being a useful idiot in support of self serving dishonesty and corruption.

I wonder how the others who signed the NO letter are feeling, having clearly been so badly betrayed by those they supported.

I believe they will be signing NO if they are honest and know enough to know just how dishonest the divisive and self serving attempt to change the constitution and shelter from the financial folly of their behaviour behind a Limited Company.

That all of the signators to the letter signed by Sir Richard Body, Roger Knapman MEP, Prof. Tim Condon, Dr. David Abbott, Dr. Eric Edmond and others signed I am aware of many many more who would have signed it and unlike those who signed Farage's scam they would have done so with pride rather than bullied, lied to or out of weakness greed or sycophancy.

Consider weak and duplicitous idiots like Batten who does not realise he has signed the instrument of his own excorriation. That such as Denny has signed it he has already been proven a liar, a cheat and corrupt such that he was dumped as untrustworthy by the NEC at one stage but is still there as a nodding donkey for Farage - he would sign anything Farage put under his nose with the ready glee of Mr. Bronco and the document would have the same validity.

I wonder could you confine yourself to fact BFM rather than your dishonest wheedling aggression if you expect further clarification of your misunderstandings.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

05 February 2009 18:51

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01291 – 62 65 62

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