#262* - IS EUkip JUST INVOLVED IN WITNESS INTIMIDATION AGAIN?
Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership
& NEC is what gives the remaining 10%
a bad name!
IS EUkip JUST INVOLVED IN WITNESS INTIMIDATION AGAIN? SINCE TITFORD IS UNDER INVESTIGATION, CLARK IS UNDER INVESTIGATION, FULLER & GILL ARE UNDER INVESTIGATION, EUkip IS UNDER INVESTIGATION, FARAGE IS UNDER INVESTIGATION, REEVE IS UNDER INVESTIGATION & HOPEFULLY TOWLER IS UNDER INVESTIGATION!Hi,
It is worth noting that both Titford and Ma Zucherman have lied and conspired together to bear false witness against John West - one is not surprised as they will be doing all they can to seek to intimidate him in the upcoming investigations where he has alread been told that he will be called as a witness by OLAF relative to the official enquiry now that OLAF have the British Police files on Titford and can proceed with the enquiry.
That Titford has put in written form a pack of lies, which can be proved in a court of law to be lies AND
Ma Zucherman aware of the circumstances has, in clear breech of his responsibilities under The Law Society, colluded in witness intimidation - watch this space.I understand there is already a Law Society complaint in place from another source against Ma Zucherman and also I understand he has been challenged by a lady client in the Courts - I wonder if his little firm will still be trading in a year or so time or will Bent & Manure only be involved in Property Scams!
Now we have a dishonest and corrupted process, which is founded on lies as Jonathan Arnott has conveniently made clear in written form, fromted once again by Ma Zucherman and clearly likely to be a further piec3e of witness tampering if not intimidation as Niall Warry has in a manner beyond the intent or statement of The Constitution been dishonestly debarred his membership.
Members will be aware that when they make application for membership if the Party accepts that membership there is an annual subscription - there is no annual renewal fee under the terms of the Party Constitution.
For Ma Zucherman to deny membership requires a Disciplinary Committee hearing under the basic principle of British Justice being 'Audi altera partem' a corner stone of justice being 'hear the other side' and Niall has had no hearing. Further as Ma Zucherman must be aware IF he is a solicitor the NEC can not be a Disciplinary Committee as it is in clear breech of British Justice in that another corner stone of Justice is 'Nemo judex in causa sua' and clearly since the complainant id the NEC it must in terms of Justice and law be found 'nobody should be judge in their own case'.
This is clearly a corrupt and dishonest attempt at witness intimidation attempting to discredit a witness in the OLAF enquiry currently in process into the odious and corrupt Derek Clarke who has so clearly lied about members and corrupted the party with his dishonesty and his betrayal of Britain by seeking to increase Britain's subsidiarity to The EU.
Let us consider the idiotic little lad Arnott's posturing when in written form on EUkip's little Forum which is heavily censored as propaganda for members and from which I copied it earlier - please accept that I have scrambled it a little to prevent any danger of proof of through which identity I access the Forum, which I am sure you will appreciate - just as do the few remaining interested parties in the mainstream media.
Membership is a mere £20 for a constant supply of information if one wants it! It would of course be far more grown up to discuss matters in the open with transparency and thus IF the party was being run properly visitors might be sufficiently impressed by the discussions to wish to join and participate.
The only thing that should be conducted behind closed doors is personal intimacy, pornography and pederasty - perhaps we now know why they try to act in secret! That which they do they are ashamed of!
Jonathan Arnott wrote:
Ordinary members of the are dealt with through the Discplinary Panel.
Toby Micklethwait wrote:
Except that Niall Warry (an ordinary member) was dealt with by the NEC.
Jonathan Arnott wrote:
Warry made it perfectly clear to Head Office, and it was noted and logged on the system, that he would not continue as a UKIP member when his membership expired.
This was a clear statement of resignation from the party.
As such, UKIP did not take disciplinary action against him when he did various things, including:
1. Advocating that people do not vote UKIP
2. Agreeing to raise money for legal funds to challenge UKIP in court.
He then sent a cheque requesting membership of UKIP, which was treated as a new membership application from someone in such a situation would be.
When there are grounds for being uncertain about a membership application, the matter is referred to the NEC.
The alternative would have been to accept the membership application together with immediate suspension from the party pending a disciplinary hearing.
Let us consider this childish and utterly inaccurate and misleading pack of lies from this inept little school teacher. The man is a fool, a liar and a cheat and to think this is the best Farage can find as an unelected puppet. However why should this chappie worry on the salary he is paid to lie for Farage and to protect corruption at the head of EUkip. People of no integrity have been bought cheaper!
Jonathan Arnott wrote:
Ordinary members of the are dealt with through the Discplinary Panel.
Are we to deduce he has read AND understood the rules since he is just a yes man put in place without vote or support of members - his position has the same total lack of validity as that of the idiotic little strutting fool NuttAll - Farage's placement and puppet - unelected and un talented - unable to control a meeting without Police assistance and from the minutes of The Ugley Meeting utterly inept and out of his depth on his own.
Toby Micklethwait wrote:
Except that Niall Warry (an ordinary member) was dealt with by the NEC.
This is clearly in breech of 'Nemo judex in causa sua' AND 'Audi alteram partem'.
Jonathan Arnott wrote:
Warry made it perfectly clear to Head Office, and it was noted and logged on the system, that he would not continue as a UKIP member when his membership expired.
This is a lie and I have checked with Niall - that he may well in discusssion, as an attempt to clean up and professionalise EUkip, discussed the possibility of not paying his dues to continue his membership is clearly an acceptable discussion point and bargaining method.
Perhaps it could be made clear in the extant Constitution where Freedom of Speech is precluded for members. I do appreciate that if the proposed corrupt ammendments are introduced it will be littel more than a fascist take over of the party where the dictator committee has absolute and abitrary say.
This was a clear statement of resignation from the party.
Balderdash - this isn't some private school with next best to no pupils and teacher is always right. Grow up lad this is the real world.
As such, UKIP did not take disciplinary action against him when he did various things, including:
EUkip's corrupt leadership and the nodding donkeys left on the NEC did not take such action as they had no reason to try to intimidate and try to discredit a witness. Nor had they just cause.
1. Advocating that people do not vote UKIP
So freedom of speech is denied members in a discussion forum! That aware that EUkip under its present leadership and with seemingly over £1,000,000 unaccounted for, with at least 4 MEPs under OLAF & Police enquiry, with an MEP who has served a prison sentence and another currently under arrest and on bail are you seriously claiming, when the MEPs, leader and NEC have undeniably brought EUkip into disrepute in the media a long serving senior member of the squalid remnants of UKIP may not discuss alternatives if it continues to be unfit for purpose?
2. Agreeing to raise money for legal funds to challenge UKIP in court.
Niall Warry has done no such thing - you are promulgating an outright lie. Together with an elected NEC member Niall warry agreed, since his reputation id beyond reproach as was that of the NEC member merely agreed to be a recipient of any donation and ensure it was paid out for the purpose which I promoted. Your lies are transparent and disingenuous and your corruption is palpable.
He then sent a cheque requesting membership of UKIP, which was treated as a new membership application from someone in such a situation would be.
Again you acted dishonestly and now seek to lie to cover for your ineptitude in trying to intimidate this witness and your seeking to try to discredit him brings the party into disrepute.
Niall Warry sent in in ample time his annual dues for his membership - it was NOT an application he was and is legally a member.
When there are grounds for being uncertain about a membership application, the matter is referred to the NEC.
This is nowhere shown in the Constitution - there is a SEPARATE Membership committee and there is a clearly laid out Disciplinary procedure - EUkip has acted abitrarily and dishonestly.
The attempt to dishonestly debar Niall Warry and deny him his right of membership and his democratic right of discussion renders your whole procedure as invalid and dishonest or at very least crassly inept.
It is appreciated that this has much to do with corruption and dishonesty amongst the MEPs, leadership and NEC and an attempt to gag disent.
The alternative would have been to accept the membership application together with immediate suspension from the party pending a disciplinary hearing.
Niall Warry made his Membership application whilst you were still in your political nappies (sorry I note you still are due to political incontinence!).
Niall warry was Chairman of Wales for UKIP before many of the inept and inexperienced idiots on the NEC were in the party.
This sad little lad is utterly inept and a liar, desparately trying to justify his unelected placement.
It is noted that he is facing the prospect of a Judicial Review as advocated by District Judge Bazley White who is considering the case against EUkip being brought by John West and also separately the case being brought against the party by Allison West also. The case is unwinnable for EUkip as they have already conceded guilt by making payments on the same grounds to others and EUkip's own returning officer has published a 9 page official report denouncing EUkip's guilt in the matter!
One must assume this is merely another example of Farages's utterly inept leadership and determination to satiate his pathetic insecurity at the party's expense!
The attempted Witness Intimidation will go down like a lead balloon with the Judge on the 17th. February!
Perhaps the following letter from Niall Warry may give cause for slightly more grown up response from the fools currently managing and destroying EUkip.
I had received a copy from Niall as a friend of many years standing and as he knew I would not broadcast ity however having received a copy from someone with access to a recipient's computer I have spoken to Niall (without stating my other source) and he believes since it is now clearly in circulation its publication may help EUkip to start to clean up its act to avoid facing a further Court case it will lose with the risk to members of substantial damages.
Perhaps the idiots on the NEC and the lads they have as puppets would have been well advised to first learn something of those they seek to attack and secondly seek COMPETENT legal advice before putting the party in jeopardy - look what a mess they got themselves in with lies, dishonesty, corruption and outright imaturity regarding the simple matter of the donations by Alan Bown where increasingly it looks like the cost to members could be over £1/2 Million - all due to the crass dishonesty and dishonest behavior of Nigel Farage and Andrew Smith.
Is it any wonder they wish to pass their liabilities to a Limited Company!
Here is Niall warry's second letter to Ma Zucherman clearly trying to give EUkip the opportunity to avoid a damaging Court Case - I wonder had it occurred to EUkip how it will look in Court in this witness intimidation case and that against John West that correspondence went unanswered by EUkip and attempts at resolution and reconciliation were spurned!
These are people who expect the public to vote for them as representatives to negotiate for Britain - dressing up as chickens, getting fall down drunk, consoorting with prostitutes and boasting that one didn't pay them is hardly a recommendation!
Here is Niall Warry's second letter sent, I understand to Ma Zucherman of Bent and Manure and the NEC and other officers of EUkip:
From: Niall Warry
To: mazuckerman@bensonmazure.co.uk
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 11:50 AM
Subject: My Appeal.
Hi Mr Zuckerman.
Please find attached my letter dated 2nd Feb which I’m sending as I have not heard from you since I wrote on the 11th Jan 2009. I have also sent a letter by recorded delivery to Newton Abbot for your attention.
Please be in no doubt about my serious in seeking redress to my grievance.
Niall Warry.
Higher Farm
Westcombe
Nr Shepton Mallet
Somerset
BA4 6ER
Tel:-01749 831546
2nd February 2009
Dear Mr Zuckerman,
You have still not replied to my letter of the 11th of January.
The advice I have received is that I should apply for a Judicial Review but am conscious that the clock is ticketing on the time scales involved. Your stalling will be considered in the 3 months time limitation and brings UKIP into further disrepute, I am reliably advised:-
Judicial Review (JR)
3.3 Before making your claim for judicial review, you should send a letter to the defendant. The purpose of this letter is to identify the issues in dispute and establish whether litigation can be avoided. The letter should contain the date and details of the decision, act or omission being challenged and a clear summary of the facts on which the claim is based. It should also contain the details of any relevant information that the claimant is seeking and an explanation of why this is considered relevant. A claim should not normally be made until the proposed reply date given in the letter before claim has passed, unless the circumstances of the case require more immediate action to be taken.
3.4 Defendants should normally respond to that letter within 14 days and sanctions may be imposed unless there are good reasons for not responding within that period.
14 days have passed since I wrote to ask you for an apology and correction of my status to full membership of UKIP. I appreciate that there is a current attempt to secure absolute arbitrary control for the leader and his unelected Chairman – this is not yet enacted therefore I call on you as allegedly a solicitor and as Party Secretary to acquit your duty in terms of ‘audi alteram partem’ and minded that there is an official Disciplinary Structure based upon ‘nemo judex in causa sua’.
Unless I hear from you within 7 days I reserve the right to take such legal action as I am advised, at that stage, considering the pertinent body of law. This being in terms that I have been denied my legal rights and further that my integrity and character have been unlawfully besmirched. Therefore reinstatement and damages are clearly legally apposite.
Yours sincerely
T.N.Warry.
The only drawback of publishing these letters is I now look far less clever than I did as you now know where I got the clever Latin legalese from! I presume his Solicitor or his Barrister provided the details!
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