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Tuesday, 28 October 2008

#96* - Don't study Maggots Without A Strong Stomach!!

#96* - Don't study Maggots Without A Strong Stomach!!

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership & NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!

Hi,

Firstly may I take this opportunity of thanking Len Baynes for having the good grace and integrity to publicly appologise for having dishonestly made an accusation against me and when challenged and finding he was unable to substantiate his claim he had the wisdom and fundamental decency to withdraw his false and unfounded accusation and appologise.

Thank – you Len and as far as I am concerned the matter is not only history but is accepted as being an error that is as if it had never happened and may I wish you good luck in your efforts to clean up EUkip and make it electable for people of integrity in the best way you see fit.Unfortunately it would seem that Bruce Lawson is, unlike Len Baynes, a fool without integrity, short of morality and utterly untrustworthy as proven by his abuse, harassment and bullying threats which he was neither man enough to substantiate nor wise enough to apologise for.

Bruce Lawson is clearly a pompous self important self imprest pratt who whilst Treasurer of EUkip failed in his claimed intent, abrogated on his duty and has proved untrustworthy having published confidential correspondence written and received in a position of trust as Treasurer – a duty and responsibility he freely accepted yet betrayed by publishing confidential material on his wersonal web site under the guise of UKIP – Mr. Lawson you are no gentleman and not to be trusted even amongst the odious scum that would seem to have floated to the top of EUkip.

Having been proven a bully and dishonest you have clearly failed to have the integrity to appologise when proven in the wrong – may I suggest that you stick to impressing yourself in the shaving mirror for the standard of behaviour you have displayed impresses no individual or integrity or morality and falls far short of the behaviour any gentleman would have the right to expect.Both EUkip & UKIP are well rid of you and it is to be hoped you never bring your contemptible lack of morality to the body politic ever again as it befould the aims of liberty and the values we seek to re-establish in Britain.

On the matter of irresponsibility and EUkip being brought into disrepute one need look no further than a letter I received from the NEC late this evening wherein it is clear that in its irresponsibility EUkip’s leadership and NEC bring the party into disrepute by failing to act with decency, integrity and morality – this time in the matter of refunding the money quite clearly owed to John West – in as far as it was obtained from him and EVERY other EUkip candidate in the dishonest selection of those the leadership wanted appointed on their list of MEP candidates.

That the process was dishonest is clear in two very clear aspects:

Christopher Gill the ex Tory MP was appointed to oversee the application phase and he utterly failed to acquit his duty and then like a pussy cat rolled on his back to oblige the leadership – having dishonourably failed to acquit his duty both in deserting his post to suit HIS convenience supposedly/claimed on holiday and also displaying his utter incompetence by failing expeditiously to answer correspondence and failing in his duty of care under the law relative to The Data Protection Act or the control of the staff working for him.

Christopher Gill’s behaviour was nothing less than shamefull and a disgrace and any man of calibre would have had the integrity to tender his irrevocable resignation having brought EUkip into such disrepute.

2.)
We must consider the selection process as irrelevant and invalid as shown by The Returning Officer, the facts I have published and the mailings of Ms. Lynnda Robson & Mr. Robin Page.

Clearly the positions of such as:
Bannerman (a Fraud, liar and cheat employed by the EU!),
Tiny Tim Whatzit (Resident in Portugal and thus not fulfilling requirements),
Ms. Andreassen (an alien with no plausible interest in Britain beyond the money scammed from EUkip, a track record of being pro. EU, resident in Barcelona, Spain and having failed to comply with the rules)

WHERE WAS GILL? It was Gill’s DUTY to oversee a fair & just selection process – Gill FAILED as has been made very clear.

CONSIDER:

Letter 01:

Date: Monday, 20 October, 2008, 5:00 PM
For the attention of the Party Chairman
Copied to the NEC

Dear Mr Nuttall,

I am still waiting for the return of my £250 deposit. In a previous email to you I requested the return of this money as it was obtained under false pretences. The MEP selection process was clearly unfair, dishonest and rigged to benefit certain individuals. The report on the MEP section/ election process written by Piers Merchant, the Returning Officer, proves this beyond doubt.

Indeed, he recommended that a special committee be appointed to investigate the whole selection process in the East. The NEC’s failure to follow his advice is simply another example of how it has brought the Party into disrepute by failing to deal with the corruption and dishonesty that now threatens to destroy UKIP.

Unfortunately, rather than deal with the genuine concerns raised by myself and others it apparently now plans to conduct a witch-hunt in order to remove those of us who have had the courage to fight for honesty, accountability, decency and transparency. How very EU! If the Party should decline to co-operate I will have no choice but to follow the steps taken by Lynnda Robson and take legal action. I am now in contact with Ipswich County Court. Unless I receive a cheque for £250, plus £20 interest, within seven days I will instigate legal proceedings against UKIP.

Yours sincerely,
John West
Chairman UKIP Ipswich & East Suffolk
Secretary UKIP Suffolk CoastalLetter

Letter 02:

Subject: Re: Legal action against UKIP
To: johnwest81@hotmail.com

Dear John

After taking legal advice, the party has concluded that you have no right to ask for the return of £250.

Best wishes
Paul Nuttall

Letter 03:

Subject: RE: Legal action against UKIP
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:12:27 +0000

Dear Paul,

I am saddened that you are prepared to listen to misguided legal advice from, I presume, Michael Zuckerman.

You will be aware that your own returning officer’s report ( now in the public domain) expressed grave concerns about the selection process and recommended that a sub-committee be appointed to investigate the whole matter. The NEC, of course, ignored his recommendations. It is quite clear that the whole selection process was rigged to favour certain candidates.

What saddens me is your willingness to go along with this corruption and dishonesty. You did tell me upon becoming chairman that you would be ‘a new broom’. You forgot to mention that you would be using the same handle! You have already conceded your liability to refund the money by refunding Lynnda Robson’s deposit, plus costs. If the selection process had been fair the leadership would have contested her claim in court. You also returned Robin Page’s deposit for the same reason.

Paul, your response is wholly inadequate. May I suggest that you obtain competent legal advice from someone other than Michael Zuckerman as both my wife and I will be taking UKIP to the Small Claims Court.

Yours sincerely,
John West
Chairman UKIP Ipswich & East Suffolk
Secretary UKIP Suffolk Coastal

Letter 04:

Subject: FW: Legal action against UKIP
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2008 22:33:12 +0000

Dear Paul,

I have now issued a county court claim against UKIP.

You gave me no other choice.

Yours sincerely,
John West

CONCLUSION:

I presume that John West has lodged a statement in full and also has lodged the supportive evidence of the rules AND the Returning Officer’s very clear report placed in the public domain.

It will be noted that to prove the process was fair John West is entitled to demand copies of the cheques paid by EVERY other member with proof their check was cleared, also the CRB checks for each and every applicant should be lodged in confidence with the Court together with proof of their residency and voter role entry.

I understand Lynnda Robson made such an application and it would seem EUkip leadership knew they would loose through the Courts for EVERY entrant in the failed process and not only refunded Lynnda Robson’s £250.00 but also have paid her expenses.

Similarly I understand that £250.00 was paid to Robin Page as the first acceptance of fault on their part and as the first stage in such claims for damages he will eventually seek! In that Robin Page was within 4 votes of election at the last EU Election and this only because it seems Tom Wise abused his access to the membership lists and self promotion in his EU employed capacity at the time. This time there is no competent candidate notable in the Eastern Region and thus it would be reasonable then, I presume, for Robin Page to make damages claim for the loss of potential income as an MEP!!!

This may be fanciful but you must be aware that the lead candidate will not be able to stand eventually as he has brought EUkip into disrepute as a fraud, a liar, a cheat having proved a failure in the Tories he came to EUkip based upon lies and dishonesty which befoul the reputation of EUkip – this he has compounded by taking a job with the EU with an undertaking to act in a manner directly contra his position with EUkip. As the realisation that he is beneath contempt in his exploitation of EUkip for his personal gain integrity will overcome pity on the part of EUkip and he will have no option but to resign – even based on his corrupt morality!

The number 2 is Stuart Agnew and he has openly made it clear he intends to exploit the job for his own gain and considers his absolute right to election claiming directly that he has bought the position. Further he is aware that he is taking advantage of dishonesty – a contemptible little bully of a man with no integrity and the bombast of a fool.

No. 4 in the Region is Andrew Smith who is on EVERY count unsuitable – it was his indisputable dishonest abrogation of duty that has led to a guilty verdict against EUkip for having endeavoured to cheat the Electoral Commission, it is his dishonesty that makes EUkip at risk of forfeiture and costs of around £500,000 in a Judicial Review. Further it was Andrew Smith who as Treasurer failed to acquit his professional duties and resign when faced by some 20+ questions relative to his duties which proved beyond doubt he had acted dishonourably and contra the simplest of professional competence as a book keeper let alone the Party Accountant/Treasurer – Andre Smith also failed to protect EUkip from the debts and liabilities of call centres considered by many members to be corrupt.

I would contend if EUkip were to have a candidate elected in June 2009 there is little doubt that had EUkip complied with democratic process, which the Returning Officer attests it was not – Robin Page would be an MEP in June – Just what do YOU believe will be the level of damages in the Courts minded of the damage to Robin Page as a journalist by the loss of this position?Interestingly having spoken with both the Police and the DPA there is every intention that they WILL be vigerously prosecuting enquiry and subsequent due process in the matter of the publishing of material of a confidential nature on YouTube with regard to John West.

The cowardly and dishonourable action of John Wittacker in signing the dishonest letter regarding the foul mouthed slut Annabelle Fuller (Those who feel I may be harsh in branding this sordid slut thus might care to view her pathetic and obscene childish Blog!).

Wittacker may well have lied as Chairman and subsequently resigned having felt he was forced to sign the lies by Farage but I doubt he would lie under oath in Court when the time comes – probably around April on next year.

Then after the guilty verdicts against EUkip and its leadership and NEC there will no doubt be the open and shut damages case that could run well towards 6 figures for reasons which will become apparent in the fullness of time!On the matter of LAW – I am given to believe that the Police have failed to let Tom Wise the EUkip MEP off the hook for fraud, embezzling and money laundering as a liar in abuse of his position of trust as made clear in the media.

I do not know as yet whether Lindsay Jenkins will be charged or whether they will consider her too irrelevant and merely a rather foolish woman impressed by a younger man! Tom Wise was I am reliably informed due to surrender to bail to the Police on Wednesday 29-Oct-08 – However I understand he has announced, confirming what I had heard previously, that The Police have had ‘words’ with him and have shown they have more than a passing interest!

The Police I understand have extended the Bail Period for a further 3 months.

I do NOT personally believe that this action indicates the Police do not intend to charge and prosecute in the long run – I shall therefore NOT publish the documentary evidence I hold at this stage copies of which have been provided to the Police – I believe that there is reason to believe that since the Police have evidence that they consider to make the case open and shut as we understand it – I believe the extension of bail is because they have as a result of this case opened the edge of a MUCH larger case which they do not wish to damage by moving too soon on the larger and more serious issue.

It I was Trevor Colman I would not sleep easy in view of the corruption in which he participated to use his status as a retired Police Officer to orchestrate a cover-up of the criminality of Tom Wise as made public and as a result of Trevor Colman’s shameful dishonesty it led to collusion in the criminality of Tom Wise as known by the leadership and NEC at the time colluding in the cover-up. I appreciate it does seem that Trevor Colman has benefited from his dishonesty, weakness, corruption and prostitution of his Queen’s Commission – both in the pecuniary gain of his partner/mistress Sue Palfrey and also in his seeming reward by being placed in the position of MEP – shame on EUkip that they see this as seemly behaviour for their representatives – though I do appreciate they are well off in having rid themselves of the liar and low life Graham Booth a man of very little merit who went so far as to try to parachute his clearly unsuitable relative into his job – I guess since her only notable claim was her relationship to the odious Booth and claims that her hobby of parachuting was any better or more relevant qualification than knitting or gardening!

The members of EUkip are well shot of the liar and all round nebbish Graham Booth but surely they did not deserve to have him replaced by the corrupt and bent copper Trevor Colman – surely even EUkip have SOMEONE of better calibre in the South West – the list is risible for next June.EUkip seek votes for election to run/represent our Country – what a shameful display of competence they have made of running their own Party – Clearly until EUkip is cleaned up and re-structured no individual of integrity would wittingly vote for them.

I call Farage DIRECTLY to account – on the hustings whilst his staff were cheating and publishing lies to keep they snouts in the trough as with the ex and much failed Press Officer a proven liar and cheat – Do you deny Nigel Farage that time and again you made the proud and dishonest boast that it was essential members voted for you as if you were elected there were various senior Tory MPs who had undertaken to join EUkip under your leadership and there were various individuals willing to put up big money to back the party the moment you became leader.Despite the many witnesses do you deny these lies?

Nigel Farage having lied to get yourself elected perhaps you would care to apologise for your lies and admit you are, as I stated at the time, incompetent to lead the party, without the gravitas and not trusted having gathered around yourself spivs, chavs, liars, cheats, frauds and failures it does not in fact elevate your position it shows the calibre of those who you can afford to buy.

Nigel Farage other than as a rather lightweight affable performing monkey can you identify a single solitary area of competence you bring to leadership other than as a rather glib and shallow barrow boy who trades on myths of success from almost 20 years ago in a City boom you rode briefly as a gambler.

Nigel Farage you have brought little but shame on EUroScepticism almost no publicity of gravitas and virtually no leaflets of calibre, no training, no credible structure and a collection of VERY low grade acolytes as praise singers. You have not eben produced sufficient men of stature to form an NEC risible puppets and parasites who would be unable to hold down a meaningfull position of power and stature.

By the way there has been so many letters leaked to me from the NEC in attempts to clean up EUkip that I do appologise to those who are sending them _ I regret I can not publish them all and also PLEASE accept my judgement as there are some that I believe would not help and may well unfairly damage so those I will withhold at the moment – there are lots more to come.

To come full circle – let us hope Farage and others have the stature and integrity of Len Baynes who was man enough to apologise when he made a mistake rather than continue to emulate the shabby and cowardly behaviour as displayed by Bruce Lawson who acted in a manner so redolent of EUkip’s leadership and MEPs – a coward, a bully, untrustworthy and with no political merit – merely an inflated opinion of himself as with the low lifes and nere do wells that sadly represent EUkip all too often! Follow Lawson’s lead and run away PLEASE give UKIP a chance!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

MAY I SUGGEST – since there is no political party of repute advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country:

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:
LEAVE THE EU

Friday, 24 October 2008

#95* - Re: #94* - The Little Wriggling Worm?

#95* - Re: #94* - The Little Wriggling Worm?

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

LEN BAYNES OPINION & AMICABLE CONVERSATION AS AN EXEMPLAR.

Hi,

Thanks for your comments Len but on reflection do you not feel you have greatly over stepped the mark?

Permit me to point out the apparent errors in your little communication, item by item since you saw fit to mail it publicly as opposed to as a personal communication.

>>Greg although I agree with you that there are many things that need addressing in the leadership of UKIP and I personally would like to see a complete overall of everything and everybody in the upper echelons<<

I believe you will find all but a very few who are deriving personal gain from the present structure or are totally un or ill informed would agree with you – sadly most are just drifting away rather than stand their ground to get their party back and clean it up.

>>including the demise of one Nigel Farage,<<

I do not nor would I wish such a fate on ANYONE, and to imply that I might is more than a little disingenuous.

>>your method of personal insults, inuendoes and downright criminal libel is to me totally unacceptable.<<

Then I suggest if that is all you can understand of my efforts that you use a different but equally visible method of exposing the truth – I wonder if you have castigated those who do nothing to clean up the party out of patriotic interest and opposition to membership of the EU? If not I do question why you feel the right to be the arbiter of taste and style in only my instance!

>> downright criminal libel<<

You have rather glibly made this statement as a statement of fact and not a statement of your opinion! May I take the liberty of pointing out to you that to make such a statement and then to circulate it to others as a fact is a VERY dangerous course of action as you have absolutely no provenance nor substantiation of your statement as NEVER have I ‘criminally libeled’ ANYONE ever as I am very well aware that to do so is as you define it ‘criminal’.Perhaps you are unaware that your unsubstantiated and defamatory comment is itself a gratuitous ‘criminal libel’ against me.

I trust you will have the integrity to not only apologise for your ‘criminal libel’ but also to circulate your apology widely to all who may have received your eMail or subsequently read it. Alternatively please advise me by return who is your solicitor.

>>You are making many more enemies than friends and doing the overall cause no good at all. <<

Thank you for your opinion – perhaps you would be so good as to send me examples of all the others who are getting exposure and publishing the facts that are addressing the endemic corruption in EUkip’s leadership more effectively on a National scale – I am always looking for more effective methods to clean up EUkip and make it an organization people of integrity might be prepared to vote for in a manner to patriotically extract these United Kingdoms from the EU.

>>Constuctive criticism is a good and honerable thing,<<

I am glad you have realized this and it will therefore be acceptable and reasonable for you to apologise for having gratuitously libeled me.

>>but your path is distructive<<

I thank you again for your opinion – however since you clearly haven’t got a clue what my aim is nor what I am doing perhaps you would be advised once you have apologized for your criminal libel to keep your own councel.

>>and the product of a obviously bitter mind,<<

Your opinion and gratuitous insult which you feel justified in circulating is I presume supported by your medical qualification to draw such a conclusion. Perhaps you would be so good as to advise us all wwhere you obtained your medical qualifications and what they are or alternatively withdraw your foolish comment and apologise.

>>and I want no part of it.<<

Then why did you write to me and circulate your foolish comments?

>>Len Baynes Fenland Branch<<

Do correct me but did you not circulate widely and permit of that circulation the fact that you had resigned? Perhaps you would be well advised to ask the editor of Independence News to publish the fact that you were misleading people either then or now. You will of course have to keep reminding the editor who is clearly far from competent for as you will note the recent issue, despite wide publicity to the contrary, failed to publish the winners of the party Lottery.

One wonders if EUkip can manage to get ANYTHING right – especially when one realises that Farage is no longer talking of leaving the EU but in interview after interview how to improve it and how to select better staff for it and the Turncoat Tory Bob Spink was on 5Live this morning and his comments were muddled, confused and unmemorable.

Then we are currently saddled with the fraudster, liar and cheat David the desk Bannerman who has consistently lied to gain preferment – I care not who he IS it is that he lied and is NOT who he claims to be that is so unacceptable and damaging.

I trust I can expect your apology and correction rapidly so we may move on as I have much more to publish and a great deal more to address to clean up EUkip and expose its corruption and I do take grave exception to people like yourself gratuitously claiming that I have lied as you have done since I have NEVER wittingly or intentionally libelled ANYONE and nor would I.

May I add that out of some 2-3,000 recipients of my mailings no one has ever claimed that I have libelled anyone other than yourself and probably the odd liar like Mark Croucher or Douglas Denny who have provided absolutely no factual evidence and have been consistently exposed as corrupt and dishonest.

I would of course immediately apologise had I accidentally and consequentially libelled someone and would widely publish my error as I have made clear over many years. Therefore if you believe I have criminally libelled someone then please be so good as to provide your provenance and I will immediately correct the error if you are correct – your ONLY alternative is a public apology for having ‘criminally libelled’ me.

I do wonder why you saw fit to ingratiate yourself with Peter Cole, Del Young, Jill Seymour, Dr. David Abbott, John West, Derek Norman and others and I can only assume you did so for personal gain!

I look forward to hearing from you and your apology.

I trust having lied about me you will consider hiring the Marlborough Town Hall where we can then share a platform to raise the status of the values of the members of UKIP and opposition to membership of the EU, in preference to EUkip’s current chosen position as stated of desiring greater subsidiarity to the EU, strengthening the EU’s committees and their control over Britain, the stated aim of Farage to act primarily as a party working to block the BNP - rather than you merely sitting on your hands having had a narrow escape from the Courts and damages, at least your apology would have some patriotic benefit – the more people you can get to attend the meeting the larger the collection to strengthen the membership of UKIP in control as opposed to the gravy trainers who currently enjoy the status rigging lists and removing, by kangaroo courts, those who do not acquiesce to their corruption and self enrichment!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

-----Original Message-----
From: greg glanceback [mailto:greg.glanceback@btconnect.com]
Sent: 24 October 2008 13:57
To: greg@glanceback.demon.co.uk
Subject: FW: #942 - The Little Wriggling Worm?Importance: High

-----Original Message-----

From: Len Baynes [mailto:lenbay@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 24 October 2008 09:45
To: greg.glanceback@btconnect.com
Cc: Peter Cole; del1young@yahoo.co.uk; jill_seymour@btopenworld.com; shawforddavid@hotmail.com; johnwest81@hotmail.com; Derek Norman
Subject: Fw: #942 - The Little Wriggling Worm?Importance: High


----- Original Message -----
From: jan clark
To: 'Len Baynes'
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:42 PM
Subject: FW: #942 - The Little Wriggling Worm?

From: Glanceback [mailto:greg.glanceback@btconnect.com] Sent: 23 October 2008 04:16
To: 'Bruce Lawson'
Subject: #942 - The Little Wriggling Worm?
Cc: Peter Cole; del1young@yahoo.co.uk; jill_seymour@btopenworld.com; shawforddavid@hotmail.com; johnwest81@hotmail.com; Derek NormanSubject:
Fw: #942 - The Little Wriggling Worm?
Importance: High

Greg although I agree with you that there are many things that need addressing in the leadership of UKIP and I personally would like to see a complete overall of everything and everybody in the upper echelons including the demise of one Nigel Farage, your method of personal insults, inuendoes and downright criminal libel is to me totally unacceptable. You are making many more enemies than friends and doing the overall cause no good at all. Constuctive criticism is a good and honerable thing, but your path is distructive and the product of a obviously bitter mind, and I want no part of it.

Len Baynes
Fenland Branch

----- Original Message -----
From: jan clark
To: 'Len Baynes'
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 2:42 PM
Subject: FW: #942 - The Little Wriggling Worm?


From: Glanceback [mailto:greg.glanceback@btconnect.com]
Sent: 23 October 2008 04:16

To: 'Bruce Lawson'

Subject: #942 - The Little Wriggling Worm?

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

MAY I SUGGEST – since there is no political party of repute advocating or campaigning for withdrawal of these United Kingdoms from the EU and restoration of our independent sovereign democracy, with Justice & the right to self determination in a free country:

Write Upon Your Ballot Paper:

LEAVE THE EU

Thursday, 23 October 2008

#94* - The Little Wriggling Worm?

#94* - The Little Wriggling Worm?


Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

What a pratt Bruce Lawson is & not even man enough to apologise


Attn: LawsonThe sad little man sent me this reply:

>> GL-W So you have not got the guts to ring me.. neither has Nigel Farage ... please delete me from your rant list and stop wasting my time..
BruceLawson<<


What a pratt Bruce Lawson is & not even man enough to apologise for his ill informed, ill conceived blustering and bullying threats.


I stated that he had absolutely nothing to say from which I could learn and that I would not phone him until he was man enough to admit he had made a fool of himself, yet again, and publish an apology!
Nor shall I for which he should be thankful as he obviously isn’t very bright and he might also care to check the time – he would be the first to bleat at being called at 4.00am.
Bruce Lawson you have made a fool of yourself as all who know me will confirm – I have no fear of little men who make fools of themselves like yourself and I have nothing to fear of men of stature and morality, I fear no man – I can not speak for Farage as to why he won’t phone you but probably he is doing no more than live down to my expectations of him as a leader.
Bruce Lawson you have sorely disappointed on every count – you were going to do great things until your courage trickled down your leg – stop showing your ineptitude, you incompetence, inadequacy of judgement and silly views of British Justice, law and leadership.
You would pretend to forming your little company with poor old discredited Geoffrey, who had his moment of trust when appointed Returning Officer and showed he was unfit, too weak and unwilling to acquit his duty – it was even rumoured that he was bought off with dreams of preferment.
Whichever way Geoffrey Kingscott failed totally to acquit his duty and thus presided over a totally corrupt election that became the coronation founded on lies, which has destroyed UKIP and denied us a party that anyone of integrity could vote for – now a claque of spivs, charlatans, fraudsters and those who have openly and irrefutably colluded in fraud, corruption, dishonesty and slander.
Including David the Desk who lied to gain his position, Farage who rode on the lies of others including his staff to titular leadership, Trevor Colman who betrayed us all and befouled his Queen’s Commission by orchestrating a corrupt cover up of the criminality, fraud, embezzling, money laundering by Tom Wise in collusion with Lindsay Jenkins as exposed in the media and for which he has been arrested and is on bail – Colman would seem to have kept his mistress in work and has now obtained preferment to befoul our Country’s stature as a dishonest and venal rogue in office – EUkip’s stature being beneath contempt having been dragged in the gutter so often by its leadership that it is likely to lose all 12 seats it once gained.
Bruce Lawson face fact you are not nor have you ever been nor are you likely to be a leader of any description – go back to your counting house and count peoples money for them as you have shown you have neither the talent, the skill nor the ability for leadership.
By all means set up a consortium of the failed and endlessly have little meetings at which to discuss who will bring the cake for the next meeting and what to fail to achieve next.
First it was Grass Clippings, then Ashes, then Fringe what will it be in November, ‘Compost’ – each meeting yet more aimless and more insignificant than the previous.
Read my eMails with care and try to learn something of politics and consequence and realise that YOU had the opportunity to clean up EUkip and you totally failed.
Lawson – be man enough to publish an apology or just drift off aware of the damage you did by your personal failure.Perhaps you would care to make amends and rent The Victoria Rooms in Bristol or The Town Hall in Stroud or Marlborough and ensure a substantial audience and I will be only too happy to debate the issues with you on a public platform and give the reasons why Britain must leave the EU and explain why neither EUkip nor the BNP will EVER achieve this patriotic aim. You bluster and talk of cowardice – let us see how much of a man you are, rise to the Challenge and I WILL be there and will face questions from ALL COMERS.
Rise above your prissy little failures and act with Patriotism can you rise to the Challenge I KNOW I WILL – I will speak out on behalf of my Country in the face of any attack anywhere.
I seek NOT to change the EU as espoused by Farage and seemingly EUkip & all the MEPs of his group the pro EU Ind.Dem.Group but to leave it – they are NOT a body where appointments of parasites concerns me I do NOT recognise its authority over me or my Country as it was dishonestly implemented and corruptly and duplicitously maintained.
Unlike Farage’s claque I seek NO APPEASMENT & NO RAPROCHMENT from within.
I value my Country – do you Lawson? Do YOU value it sufficiently to rise to my Challenge?I suggest before you make more of a fool of yourself watch:
& then either put up or shut up.G.L-W.

-----Original Message-----From: greg glanceback [mailto:greg.glanceback@btconnect.com] Sent: 23 October 2008 02:42To: greg@glanceback.demon.co.ukSubject: FW: #934 - Consider Just HOW do the Caterpillars Help?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Lawson [mailto:bruce.lawson@btinternet.com] Bruce Lawson [Bruce.Lawson@btinternet.com]
Sent: 22 October 2008 09:04
Subject: Re: #934 - Consider Just HOW do the Caterpillars Help?

GL-W
So you have not got the guts to ring me.. neither has Nigel Farage ...
please delete me from your rant list and stop wasting my time..
BruceLawson
----- Original Message -----
From: Glanceback
To: greg.glanceback@btconnect.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:05 AM
Subject: #934 - Consider Just HOW do the Caterpillars Help?

#93* - Consider Just HOW do the Caterpillars Help?

***CUT – not relevant to the maunderings of Lawson***
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A bit off frippery that clearly shows EUkip has lost sight of what matters – I received the following eMail and fortunately, bored I was about to dump some 1,400 spam eMails and noted this on my other computer:
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Lawson [mailto:bruce.lawson@btinternet.com]
Sent: 21 October 2008 16:06
To: Greg Lance Watkins
Subject: UKIP - Your email 21st October

Dear Greg

Please retract your remark about me on your posts within four days, i.e. 'Agnew, Lawson, etc. low lifes, trash, etc.' and phone me personally (01686-668004) in addition. My inclusion in your list is totally unjustified, and I will sue you immediately for defamation if you do not act.

Regards.

Bruce Lawson

To be fair and giving this little chappie a right to reply I presume that he means the following portion of my eMail #92* of the 21st. which stated:
>>Virtually without exception the EUkip MEPs are some of the most revolting, ill educated, dishonest chavs it has been my misfortune to meet I do so agree with Robin’s assessments above. Sadly the pond life that has gathered like parasites and leaches around them are the only thing that makes them look good – Croucher, Denny, Fuller, Moran, Carver, Zucherman, McGough, Smith, Bannerman, Duffy, Andreasen, Wood, Lott, Williams, Mickelthwaite, Kingscott, Agnew, Lawson etc. low lifes, trash, spivs, climbers and beneath contempt in their dishonesty – as proven by the mess the party is in!

Many will recall the lies of Farage during the hustings and the lies of his supporters and staff to ensure they kept their snouts in the troughs.
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May I suggest if he is so fragile that he is, as he has substantively proven, completely out of his depth in such an arena as EUkip, may I advise he withdraws from any public role – no I shall NOT bother phoning as I do not believe that Lawson has anything from which I could learn – however I will reconsider that judgement when he issues a public apology for having YET AGAIN shown what a pratt he is by YET AGAIN threatening me without valid grounds.
Lawson I added your name to the list advisedly – it is clear to all but the dumbest that my comments were not each and every one applicable to each person – do by all means advise which YOU believe fit your behaviour and incompetence – I am happy to publish your own opinion of your behaviour in leaving EUkip mid term as The Treasurer without completing the years accounts, your behaviour in failing to ensure the exposure of areas considered corrupt in the accounts by many members or draw up accounts that were adequately transparent as to bear investigation by members, or in what way it was responsible to present your first business meeting without comment on the preceding accounts abandoned by Andrew Smith in a totally unprofessional and disgraceful manner.
Perhaps after leaving, that you published your internal confidential maunderings between you and your employers in a particularly dishonerable manner on your so called UKIP Branch web site, by all means explain in what manner I should portray such a betrayal.
Then of course you might provide a more apposite soubriquette to your own behaviour when you had such an opportunity to act with integrity and clean up EUkip’s accounts and accounting procedure to TRY to make EUkip electable not just an apparent scam for self enrichment at the expense of the tax payers and members.
By all means do be more specific in language of contempt to more relevantly suit your abrogation of duty and care.
You may also wish to explain whilst you are apologising for your behaviour for having raised such hopes that you would provide the details at meetings in Bournemouth sufficient to satiate the needs of the audience for exposure when in fact they sat in serried rows listening to your indecisive unincisive mumblings of ‘um’ & ‘er’.Lawson – your fatuous outburst this time is almost as risible as the last time you threatened me without sound grounds.
WHEN the cap fits may I suggest you quietly wear it, maybe with a grimace, hoping not to be noticed whilst seeking ways to improve your position and your behaviour based on the lessons learned.
You are welcome to print this out and frame it as a reminder of how you have failed both in terms of being an adequate complainant of any credibility and also as a reminder that you will need far more lessons to be able to pass yourself off as an individual of stature, credibility, plausibility or at least as a Gentleman of integrity which could of course be achieved in some part by your apology both for this most recent incident of threat by you and also for your previous burst of foolish braggadocio for which to date you have proved not to be man enough nor adequately a gentleman to apologise.
Have you thought of book keeping as an occupation as you may find it more within your competence than dealing with people where clearly you lack the skills requisite.
Be advised that should you ONCE again threaten me groundlessly without first apologising that constitutes, under law, harassment and is as such a criminal offence. May I suggest you send a copy of your apology to a competent lawyer so that he will be prepared to act for you should you require competent defence in the future.
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PLEASE HELP US TO CLEAN UP EUkip and restore it to the people as UKIP in a fit and proper condition that men and women of integrity could vote for it and if that can not be done PLEASE HELP US ensure not one single MEP is elected from amongst the scum that are listed. MOVING ON – to Grown Up Issues ;-)
PRESS RELEASE: IMMEDIATE Tom Conti and Lord Lucas launch the Motorists Legal Challenge Fund … Britain’s motorists encouraged to join the fight. ... the Court case that could lead to £millions of parking tickets being cancelled. Movie star Tom Conti, and Lord Lucas of Dingwall and Crudwell are leading the charge to raise a fighting fund initially for a court challenge to parking tickets and to then include legal challenges on other matters affecting Britain’s motorists.

They are patrons of the newly formed Motorists Legal Challenge Fund which has been set up to fight the corner of Britain’s beleaguered motorists and will be formally launched today.

Tom (66) has become involved because he’s a founder of the Motorists Action Group in London, where he is a long-term resident. He has put some of his own cash into the fund, which is backing the challenge which could impact on fines issued by councils across the UK.
The Scottish-born actor, who starred in the film Shirley Valentine and TV series Donovan, became a campaigner after he suffered “an unpleasant incident with some bailiffs” over a ticket and because he thinks the treatment of motorists is extremely unjust.
He said, “I just hate unfairness in government and there’s a vast amount being perpetrated against anybody with a vehicle — and that’s an awful lot of people. “The local authorities are supposed to be there to help the people rather than harass them, but at the moment people are being harassed.”
He doesn’t consider himself a political person but admits his high profile can help the cause.“
Politics and the whole right-wing, left-wing thing is nonsense. There’s only common sense really and an understanding of what human beings are — and they do not want to be dictated to,” he said.
The first case is being spearheaded by Sunderland campaigner Neil Herron, who runs the website http://www.parkingappeals.co.uk/ .

Neil (45) has remortgaged his property to raise £60,000 for the fight and start the action says Tom Conti’s and Lord Lucas’ backing is vital.

He said, “I think Britain’s motorists have reached tipping point and are fed up being treated as a cash cow. The case needed to be lodged within three months and the only way to get the action launched was to effectively put my home on the line.
Tom Conti and Lord Lucas have helped launch the Fund which will ensure that we can take this case forward and act on behalf of Britain’s motorists. It is essential that such matters are brought before the courts because the individual motorist faces such an inequality of arms when trying to seek justice.”

Britain's motorists are urged to support the Motorists Legal Challenge to ensure an equality of arms for this and future battles. Herron is no stranger to campaigning and his most recent David against Goliath success has been with the Metric Martyrs Campaign which has forced a very public Government u-turn on enforced metrication and the concession that no-one else will be prosecuted for using imperial measures.

Parking enforcement has been used by many councils as a revenue raising stealth tax. The

Lord Lucas who also chairs the Enforcement Law Reform Group, and the London Motorists Action Group recently told the BBC Radio 4's PM programme that the enforcement of incorrectly signed parking areas "...is something that seems to me to be close to theft, and it probably would be adjudged as theft if one could ever get it to court."
"So it is extremely difficult to get local authorities to behave properly on this. There doesn't seem to be an ombudsman who will take this seriously and central government really just treats this as part of the tax-raising system."
"It just generally makes people's lives that bit more miserable"

The CaseThe case of Herron v The Parking Adjudicator challenges the independence of the Traffic Penalty Tribunal (formerly the National Parking Adjudication Service).
It is maintained that because the service is administered and funded by the councils with the adjudicators appointed by a committee of the councils then it cannot be perceived to be independent.
This could impact on every ticket issued in England and Wales.

The second pillar of the case is that many parking tickets are invalid because of flaws in the regulations that cover Controlled Parking Zones. CPZs were designed to cut down on parking sign clutter by having a notice at an entry point that applies restrictions to several streets but because councils have deviated from the strict definition where only single yellow, double yellow or parking spaces are allowed in CPZs then parking tickets could be rendered invalid.
Support

Individuals, businesses and motoring groups have welcomed the action and the Motorists Legal Challenge Fund.

The Chairman of the Association of British Drivers, Brian Gregory said:
"As with speed cameras there is no one regulating the regulators in order to keep them honest.
Some local councils have proved the old adage that absolute power corrupts absolutely, especially where there is the financial incentive of retaining the proceeds of decriminalised parking enforcement."
"If it is going to take Consumer Power to make the authorities toe the line, so be it. We are right behind Neil and his case and we shall be making a donation to the fund."

Edmund King, President of the Automobile Association says:
"The AA says motorists rightly expect the highest standard of accountability and compliance with the law and guidance regarding de-criminalised parking enforcement. It is unacceptable that some councils, which are granted parking enforcement powers by the Department for Transport, break the rules themselves."
"If they persist in breaking laws and rules after being advised of their errors they deserve to be challenged. However, the AA says things must be kept in proportion – we do need fair parking enforcement but some local authorities taint the good authorities that recognise and honour their responsibilities to the parking public."

Grant Davis of the London Cab Drivers Club says (watch his video clip here)
"We have just donated £500 ... and we should all stand up to be counted and get behind the Motorists Legal Challenge. Where is the bulldog spirit? Come on, let's wake up and let's stop the abuse of motorists by local authorities issuing parking tickets to raise money. Get behind the campaign."

Register for updates by e-mailing info@motoristslegalchallenge.co.uk
ENDS

Anyone wishing to find out more can visit http://www.motoristslegalchallenge.co.uk/
SUPPORT

Donations can be made to:
MOTORISTS LEGAL CHALLENGE FUND
PO BOX 62228
LONDON
N8 1AG

Contact:
Simon Aldridge Mob. 07973781655
Jim Douglas Mob.07785918411
Neil Herron Mob. 07776 202045

NOTES FOR EDITORS
PHOTO / INTERVIEW OPPORTUNITY / NOTES FOR EDITORS: Contact Simon, Jim or Neil
PHOTO / INTERVIEW ... HANDING OVER OF A 'LARGE CHEQUE' TO LORD LUCAS BY LONDON CABBIES 4.45 PM WEDNESDAY 22ND OCTOBER 2008 AT: Fielden House, 13 Little College Street, off Abbey Gardens near the car park, SW1P

Regards,

Greg L-W.

01291 – 62 65 62

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Wednesday, 22 October 2008

#93* - Consider Just HOW do the Caterpillars Help?

#93* - Consider Just HOW do the Caterpillars Help?

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

Sadly the pond life that has gathered like parasites and leaches around EUkip MEPs are the only thing that makes them look good


Hi,

I would ask you to consider and ask yourself once you have read this eMail just what do YOU think is being achieved and to what end by the leadership and NEC of EUkip – in what way are they contributing to our Country as they continue their cult of self infatuated egotistical idolatery – as they set up a venal cult of self importance, seeking through witch hunt and kangaroo courts to debase the Party that carries them.


Where and what are the moralities displayed by EUkip’s leadership and NEC just what are their values and their vision?

I am bemused as to what might be the net sum gain for my Country of the dishonesty, corruption and adulatory infatuation of an ever shrinking few as offered by EUkip as it bullies and bombasts cheating to gain prefferential positions for a sycophantic few at the expense of credibility and electability – just what gain is there in putting in as a puppet a shaven headed Liverpool scally with absolutely no relevant experience, in a knee jerk reaction to protect positions at the troughs – threatened by the lies and criminality of the foul mouthed slut and the infatuation of the leader such that he lied to support her on the national media and forced his party chairman out of office by insisting he put his signature to a pack of lies!

Clearly and unarguably Farage should not be above the law and the party constitution and there is absolutely no argument to defend him from the charge of bringing the party into disrepute – the facts speak for themselves and are undeniable as is the open and shut case that the appointed deputy leader is unfit for office of any public nature being a proven fraud, liar and cheat – nop disciplinary hearing is required as the evidence is absolute, indisputable and brings the party into disrepute – IF David the desk
Bannerman lacks the integrity and is so besotted by the smell of a place at the troughs then act honourably for him and chuck him out in shame.

It is increasingly obvious that EUkip is finished though despite the incredible number of enemies EUkip has gathered and the number who will actively campaign AGAINST EUkip in general and Farage, Andreassen, Bannerman and their ilk in particular – there is still a danger that Farage may be elected by the ignorant and having read his every speech and listened to every interview available there is absolutely no doubt that Farage will jump ship immediately after the election – For heaven’s sake wake up – Farage no longer represents UKIP members he represents ONLY himself.

I have all the recorded speeches of Enoch Powell and listen to them not infrequently; his use of our language is like poetry but less boring.

It is sad that he has been so disingenuously portrayed as in some way racists - it is as foolish to label him as racist as it is to present Winston Churchill's essays on Islam, out of the context of history and his book, The River Wars as in some way Islamophobic or anti Islamic in a modern context - to do so in either instance is downright dishonest and if you have the intellectual ability to so do and the moral turpitude to thus exploit the ignorance and cupidity of others less intellectually fortunate you clearly debase your own argument and demean your own integrity.

Winston's son made much of the values of Britain and with the father he had 'stood upon the shoulders of giants' to quote Isaac Newton. One must wonder what Addnnan Khasshoggi thought of young Winston adulterously having sex with his wife over a prolonged period - was SHE not a Muslim as was Addnnan also?

Then to drift into talk of 'treason' is surely a nonsense when no such crime exists on the statute book and the law setting it aside was prorogued for a set period for the trial of William Joyce - a most un British act as William Joyce did NOT commit treason though he was hanged for the crime. William Joyce could NOT commit treason against Britain or the crown as he was an Irish citizen!

The law of treason even in its hay day was a most difficult crime to prosecute for difficulty of definition as it had to encompass intent of outcome, which seems to be near unprovable as it is not possible to define intent as it is no more than a private thought process. This I understand was one of the main planks in the argument that led to Treason being struck from the statute book by due democratic process at Westminster.

Hence the idiocy, all be it based on righteous indignation (a defence under law - last used I believe by Jack Straw & Tariq Alli when facing prosecution for crimes of wilful destruction and 'riot', I understand they were aided in their crime by Patricia Hewitt and shielded by the arch Communist Barbara Castle!)

Sadly it is on these points that claims of treason fall - indignant at the thought that the very democracy we seek to defend has removed a plank of the defence is not a relevance when the gullible are duped into making asses of themselves by laying charges of treason at police stations against individuals whether extant or dead.

I freely admit I am neither a racist nor a nationalist and people's superstitions are of no consequence to me and nor should they wish to impose them upon me. I wish to see Britain a haven that is willing to absorb those who value its values a model for the better world our peoples have given sequential sacrifice for.

We must as patriots never turn away those in need as do remind yourselves of the blacks, browns, yellows and whites of this planet who strove to support and defend these United Kingdoms because of our values - Racism & Nationalism of an exclusive nature are an excrescence and a shame upon the sacrifice of our ancestors.

We must as patriots welcome and shelter those who have in the past and may in the future give their lives for our values, Sikhs, Muslims, Buddhists, Jain, Jew, various sects of Christian and those who have no belief in theisms.

We might not be here as Britons whatever our colour and creed and surely we measure people by their thoughts and values, loyalties and compassions not their ethnicity as it is a wise man who knows his Father! Was it not Cecil Spring-Rice who as British Ambasasador to Washington convinced Woodrow Wilson to uphold those very values in WWI and subsequently wrote:

I vow to thee, my country, all earthly things above,

Entire and whole and perfect, the service of my love;

The love that asks no question, the love that stands the test,

That lays upon the altar the dearest and the best;

The love that never falters, the love that pays the price,

The love that makes undaunted the final sacrifice.



I heard my country calling, away across the sea,

Across the waste of waters she calls and calls to me.

Her sword is girded at her side, her helmet on her head,

And round her feet are lying the dying and the dead.

I hear the noise of battle, the thunder of her guns,

I haste to thee my mother, a son among thy sons.



And there's another country, I've heard of long ago,

Most dear to them that love her, most great to them that know;

We may not count her armies, we may not see her King;

Her fortress is a faithful heart, her pride is suffering;

And soul by soul and silently her shining bounds increase,

And her ways are ways of gentleness, and all her paths are peace.

If we lose sight of what we are striving to defend and slip into the bitter, bullying racism of the BNP, unwilling to renounce the racism and murders on which it is founded, the American White Supremacy that supported the BNP and the National Front before it, the religious hatred that the BNP supports and encourages exploiting ignorance and fear for political gain then I would contend we have lost that which was worth fighting for.

I admonish you to read again Cecil Spring-Rice's words and if possible listen to Katherine Jenkins' rendition at:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6Nw62YHlJos&feature=related


We must remember why we are in this battle of survival - it is not for our egos nor for our gain but for the future wellbeing of our peoples and our planet. We are here to withdraw our Country from the evils of The EUropean Union not to build evils in our own land!

an eMail from the NEC leak may interest you as it so clearly makes my point albeit in brevity from a long standing UKIP member and chairman of branches:


Ladies and Gentlemen,

I sincerly hope you are all hanging your heads in shame this evening. I have just watched a program on ITV. centred around a mock referendum in Luton, subjects

(1) Lisbon Treaty , Yes or No,

(2) EU, in or out .

and I can only ask where were we?

This was a heaven sent opportunity for us this actually happened on the 9th Oct again where were we? where was the bus? The bus I know is lanquishing somewhere in Luton with no Tax or insurance - Why? Are you all so obsessed with your own little island of power to forget what we are about?

We are supposed to be the premier organisation against the EU we were not even mentioned, why did we not have a vast presence in Luton on that day, what is the press office doing that we were not told about this?

Ladies and gentlemen: I have learnt today of yet another branch chairman resigning, the party, peoples, is going belly up and you are doing nothing about it shame on you.


For god sake listen to the complaints answer the letters and get out of your ivory towers and come to branch meetings and find out, I have spent 10 years of my life for this party, and yes I also resigned because I was so disillusioned but was talked out of it by my branch, so I am now fighting not only the EU. but something that has gone radically wrong with this party, and I'm afraid its from the top, I’ve heard and seen Mr. Farage's hitlist and very surprised I'm not on it, not that that is any worry, but you, peoples, have some explaining to do, why are you all ignoring the trouble we are in? or should I say the majority of you are, those that are listening are on that list. You have had what was called the Newmarket declaration, what have you done about it? I'll tell you, sweet F--ALL, in the hope it will go away as is the case with all the other letters and complaints you receive, I personally wrote to Mr. Farage some few weeks ago and have not yet had the courtesy of a reply, surprised !! not really, not expected.!!

Ladies and gentlemen if you do not take heed you will soon find all you have is your Ivory towers then you can all take it in turns blameing each other for what has happened.

With no apologies,
Len Baynes
Treasurer Fenland Branch


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A bit off frippery that clearly shows EUkip has lost sight of what matters – I received the following eMail and fortunately, bored I was about to dump some 1,400 spam eMails and noted this on my other computer:
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Lawson [mailto:bruce.lawson@btinternet.com]
Sent: 21 October 2008 16:06
To: Greg Lance Watkins
Subject: UKIP - Your email 21st October

Dear Greg

Please retract your remark about me on your posts within four days, i.e. 'Agnew, Lawson, etc. low lifes, trash, etc.' and phone me personally (01686-668004) in addition. My inclusion in your list is totally unjustified, and I will sue you immediately for defamation if you do not act.

Regards.

Bruce Lawson


To be fair and giving this little chappie a right to reply I presume that he means the following portion of my eMail:

#92* of the 21st. which stated:

Virtually without exception the EUkip MEPs are some of the most revolting, ill educated, dishonest chavs it has been my misfortune to meet I do so agree with Robin’s assessments above.

Sadly the pond life that has gathered like parasites and leaches around them are the only thing that makes them look good – Croucher, Denny, Fuller, Moran, Carver, Zucherman, McGough, Smith, Bannerman, Duffy, Andreasen, Wood, Lott, Williams, Mickelthwaite, Kingscott, Agnew, Lawson etc. low lifes, trash, spivs, climbers and beneath contempt in their dishonesty – as proven by the mess the party is in!
Many will recall the lies of Farage during the hustings and the lies of his supporters and staff to ensure they kept their snouts in the troughs.<<

In the spirit in which my eMail was written I obviously stand by my statement of my opinionPerhaps Bruce Lawson will accept the style of my eMail though he may not welcome my exposures.

May I suggest if he is so fragile that he is, as he has substantively proven, completely out of his depth in such an arena as EUkip, may I advise he withdraws from any public role – no I shall NOT bother phoning as I do not believe that Lawson has anything from which I could learn – however I will reconsider that judgement when he issues a public apology for having YET AGAIN shown what a pratt he is by YET AGAIN threatening me without valid grounds.

Lawson I added your name to the list advisedly – it is clear to all but the dumbest that my comments were not each and every one applicable to each person – do by all means advise which YOU believe fit your behaviour and incompetence – I am happy to publish your own opinion of your behaviour in leaving EUkip mid term as The Treasurer without completing the years accounts, your behaviour in failing to ensure the exposure of areas considered corrupt in the accounts by many members or draw up accounts that were adequately transparent as to bear investigation by members, or in what way it was responsible to present your first business meeting without comment on the preceding accounts abandoned by Andrew Smith in a totally unprofessional and disgraceful manner.

Perhaps after leaving, that you published your internal confidential maunderings between you and your employers in a particularly dishonerable manner on your so called UKIP Branch web site, by all means explain in what manner I should portray such a betrayal.

Then of course you might provide a more apposite soubriquette to your own behaviour when you had such an opportunity to act with integrity and clean up EUkip’s accounts and accounting procedure to TRY to make EUkip electable not just an apparent scam for self enrichment at the expense of the tax payers and members.

By all means do be more specific in language of contempt to more relevantly suit your abrogation of duty and care.You may also wish to explain whilst you are apologising for your behaviour for having raised such hopes that you would provide the details at meetings in Bournemouth sufficient to satiate the needs of the audience for exposure when in fact they sat in serried rows listening to your indecisive unincisive mumblings of ‘um’ & ‘er’.

Lawson – your fatuous outburst this time is almost as risible as the last time you threatened me without sound grounds.

WHEN the cap fits may I suggest you quietly wear it, maybe with a grimace, hoping not to be noticed whilst seeking ways to improve your position and your behaviour based on the lessons learned.

You are welcome to print this out and frame it as a reminder of how you have failed both in terms of being an adequate complainant of any credibility and also as a reminder that you will need far more lessons to be able to pass yourself off as an individual of stature, credibility, plausibility or at least as a Gentleman of integrity which could of course be achieved in some part by your apology both for this most recent incident of threat by you and also for your previous burst of foolish braggadocio for which to date you have proved not to be man enough nor adequately a gentleman to apologise.

Have you thought of book keeping as an occupation as you may find it more within your competence than dealing with people where clearly you lack the skills requisite.

Be advised that should you ONCE again threaten me groundlessly without first apologising that constitutes, under law, harassment and is as such a criminal offence. May I suggest you send a copy of your apology to a competent lawyer so that he will be prepared to act for you should you require competent defence in the future.

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PLEASE HELP US TO CLEAN UP EUkip and restore it to the people as UKIP
in a fit and proper condition that men and women of integrity
could vote for it and if that can not be done
PLEASE HELP US ensure not one single MEP
is elected from amongst the scum that are listed.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

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Tuesday, 21 October 2008

#92* - Robin PAGE EXPOSES EUkip's CORRUPTION!

#92* - Robin PAGE EXPOSES EUkip's CORRUPTION!

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

THE ENDEMIC CORRUPTION IN EUkip & THE WAY AHEAD!

The corruption of some of EUkip’s leadership & NEC is what gives the remaining 10% a bad name!
Hi,

The next 7 paragraphs are a repeat just in case you missed them previously as since they include a correction I would like to be sure YOU saw it and also that you might pass the eMail on to the people in your address book interested in EUkip – both of them ;-(

The failure of EUkip to act with ANY competence, intelligence or seeming ability shows beyond any shadow of doubt that in their hubris and incompetence they lack any ability at damage limitation such as to show that under their present leadership and NEC they have no right to ask ANYONE to put their trust in them or to vote for them – with the best will in the world even their most naĂŻve supporter could not responsibly vote for them.
As always I am willing to stand by my word and am prepared to be cross examined on the facts I have put before you.
On that note I received an eMail, from a senior Branch Official of long standing, whilst Lee and I were away with friends and as I had not responded immediately (as I try to) I managed to track the individual down and obtain his phone number and phoned, firstly to apologise for my tardy response and also explain how my error had come about and undertake to correct the error, explaining how it had come about. Thank you again for contacting me and also for your fulsome praise of my news letters. I will happily publish your name with my thanks for your information if you wish but obviously not without your permission. (Do let me know)
Last week before leaving I published the fact that WAYNE HARLING had decamped from EUkip to The Conservative Party – I understand this was NOT TRUE and I unreservedly apologise for any inconvenience or embarrassment this may have cause Wayne Harling or anyone else including those who wrote to me or phoned to say it was no loss, especially after his behaviour apropos the hijack and Kangaroo Court relative to Del Young by the NEC and the support of the undeniably corrupt and dishonest Lisa Duffy who misled the members and thus dishonestly and against the spirit of the constitution of EUkip obtained a seat on the NEC of EUkip.
My error came about not out of malice but having made REASONABLE assumption! The fact that he had defected to The Tories was stated as a fact on what was UKIPForum and it WAS commented upon and after a notable time no comment correcting or amending the statement had been made and in consideration of the fact that there are those like Mick McGough, Douglas Denny, Bob Feel Martinis, Mark Croucher and others who are all too willing to lie, cheat and dissemble in support of EUkip and the purely gullible like Kernow, JoshuaOnyons, and the like who seem to adopt a crano rectally retentive position regarding EUkip’s corrupt and dishonest leadership and NEC and minded that EUkip’s Press Officer Clive Page and also their new little chappie (when in the country) all seem all too rapid in their protection and defence of the indefensible and as several of the posters are from, EUkip Yooof there was no correction of the story I presumed, falsely, that it was true.
I am pleased to say that I believe this is the ONLY factual error that has been pointed out to me by someone responsible in EUkip rather than the lies and serial dishonesty of the likes of Croucher and Denny as proven, as I have ALWAYS stated I aim to be absolutely accurate and am ALWAYS happy to correct any factual error I may EVER have published.
Unlike people like Anthony Butcher I will always stand by my word and also grant an unequivocal right of reply, not censoring honest comment and promoting dishonest personal attacks as Butcher has frequently encouraged on his Forum, in a dishonest and corrupt manner, showing beyond doubt that he is not to be trusted and is without integrity or fundamental decency.
I was going to publish a few more of the letters I have from the NEC but they can wait till later in the week.
I have been a tad busy recently and I would ask you all to spare a thought for various people who I seek to help through http://www.kidneycancerresource.com/ not least of whom are Gemma who is having a radical nephrectomy due to Renal Cell Carcinoma in a few hours time, Chris who is in hospital facing a prolonged, demeaning and agonising death in The Royal Gwent as our PCT has refused to provide the drugs he needs to keep him alive as with Val, Janey, Rob, Sandy, Jean and about another 40 I can NAME many of whom chat to me through the night as they face those lonely hours facing imminent death and often leaving young families – if I come across as unwilling to suffer fools, impatient with idiots and ruthless with the corrupt I do not for a moment ask you to forgive me but perhaps you might understand why I WILL NOT TOLLERATE dishonesty as it is just that dishonesty which is deliberately killing people who have become friends many who face death in their 30s & 40s whilst the pond life in EUkip rip off the self same system.
Perhaps someone can identify the duly enacted Act of Parliament passed at Westminster after debate and democratic process, which although it denies women the fundamental human right of control over their own bodies and a right to abortion, denies those in terminal agony or demeaning horror the right to the dignity of death when they chose have the sordid arrogance to practice selective EUthenasia based on undefined expediency against the will or wishes of the patient!! I understood that to me more normally called murder and when exercised in yours and my name by OUR Government it is no better than the murders carried out by Britain’s poorly trained, badly led, incompetent and irresponsible armed Police and perhaps we could be advised when the Government, which can find £Billions for their pensions, £Billions to fund cover-ups of their own banking incompetence but will not fund drugs available in much of the rest of the world and other 3rd. world states WHEN are The Harold Shipman Wards being opened for those not ‘Cost Effective’ to be exterminated on the NHS!

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I gather EUkip has started openly conceding that it acted dishonestly and is in breech of its contract with members who stood for selection/election as prospective MEP candidates.
It would seem that having refunded the £250.00 to candidates that they are admitting that the process was, as we all know, corrupt.
That their own chosen and appointed Returning Officer openly and in the public domain highlighted many of the corruptions and cheating even the lies of Mick McGough the fraudulent lies of David the desk Bannerman (frankly no one gives a stuff who he is it is just that he has proved himself to be a fraud, a liar and a cheat and NOT who he claimed to be – this shows he is not to be trusted on even simple matters), then there was the corrupt behaviour of Gollom aided by Titford – Gollom has proved himself to be a duplicitous ill mannered and dishonest little parasite who in all his years has ensured his income above all else by working for two masters and often none as he played one off against the other.
Many will remember the lack of publicity and incompetence relevant to the web site he was happy to be salaried to not achieve.
Not a man who would seem to have friends and clearly not one to trust if you stand between him and his income stream!
You will be interested to note that realising that the selection process was corrupt and fundamentally flawed on the very many counts listed by the Returning Officer, Lynnda Robson, myself and many others in the public domain – EUkip has refunded Robin Page’s money that they obtained from him dishonestly as the first step in compensating him.
I also note that the letter made public from Lynnda Robson has been accepted as fact and she has not only received back the £250.00 but also a substantial proportion of her direct costs – this clearly shows that EUkip accept her position to be accurate and correct and thus one presumes they will be putting the situation right by removal of The Desk from the Eastern Region and preferably the Party since who needs the publicity of a cheat, a liar and a fraud during an election.
Mick Muckgough must surely be removed for his dishonesty, Andrew Smith is clearly unfit having so incompetently and dishonestly betrayed the party and lied to The Electoral Commission leading to huge costs, a guilty verdict in the Courts and £18,000 forfeiture and now the potential for further costs and forfeit of around £1/2Million – this is a man of such staggering lack of professionalism or competence, integrity or duty that one is surprised he is not in Gordon Brown’s Treasury team!
A man who understands large sums and how to squander them when they belong to others!
One must assume that in admitting their corruption by having refunded the fees EUkip’s leadership will be refunding the money to all – since all were cheated and one must assume those they do not refund were party to the lies and corruption – it will be interesting to note who were their cronies in the scam!
Presumably the joke candidate Martha Andersen will be sent packing to befoul some other poor party – has she tried the BNP yet for it would seem she has tried most others and I presume the Danish people do not want her back as a Dane nor it seems do the Spanish want her as a candidate – for sure there is no credibility or merit in having her as a candidate in Britain and no doubt the amount of work done pro bono by people like Martin Hasslam will show all too well she definitely isn’t worth the £36,000+ expenses she pockets just for her part time book keeping so one MUST assume there is an ulterior benefit for Farage for which she is being paid since EUkip could obtain a reputable BRITISH firm of accountants rather than a partisan friend!
Similarly Tiny Tim will no doubt be dumped back on the beach in Portugal from whence it seems he didn’t come for tax purposes!Sorry the facts are spilling over as so often so let us have a quick peek at some correspondence that has been leaked to me:From: Sent: 21 October 2008 01:37To: glancebackSubject: Open letter to the Fuhrer

Open Letter to UKIP Leader Nigel Farage 19.10.2008

Dear Nigel,

There are a number of issues, which need seriously addressing. Failure to deal with them brings the whole of UKIP into disrepute and in my view raises the question of whether you are a fit person to lead a political party.

I would remind you that I am not a politician. However I have always been concerned by those who enter politics and who lie and cheat as a normal part of their lives. As a result I want to know whether or not lying and cheating is now an accepted part of UKIP’s philosophy and internal management.

I suppose my mother is to blame for all this. Her philosophy was always “Tell the truth. Say what you mean, and don’t hold grudges”. It seems to me that you, and most of those sycophants that surround you, might take a completely opposite view.

To start with Nigel, you are aware that I made a Data Protection Act request to UKIP. The Party has made no effort to comply with the Law. How can you be taken seriously as a Party leader when you have allowed this to happen? Do you regard you and the Party to be above the Law? Perhaps you do and of course several senior Party members are currently being investigated by the police and OLAF.

Let me remind you of my background.
My first major choice of blatant lies or the truth came in 1969. The then Secretary of State for Social Security Richard Crossman, and his henchman, an MP from Kent called David Ennals – later ennobled, were liars. I could have ignored their lies or challenged them. I decided to challenge them.

The two of them lied their way through a Panorama programme on BBC television. Being a civil servant in the same department I was appalled, but was told by a senior officer that we could do nothing as the department paid our wages.

I took a different view, believing that as a” public servant” my first loyalty was to “the public”. Consequently as a matter of principle I believed that the truth should be told. As a result I wrote a series of articles under a pseudonym for The Spectator under the Editorship of Nigel Lawson. Needless to say, because my articles were totally factual the super-sleuths tracked me down, and at the age of twenty-six I was sacked and threatened with legal action under the Official Secrets Acts if I wrote another word. Of course I wrote again and of course I was not prosecuted – although for a young country boy taking on a bunch of dishonest politicians it was all rather stressful. Everything I said was later confirmed by a Committee of Inquiry.

I have made several other stands since then on matters of principle – usually honesty against political dishonesty – even police dishonesty. Stress is now not an issue as I am used to it all and of course won damages earlier in the year from the Gloucestershire Police. Information received under the Data Protection Act clearly showed that the police had lied about me and had no reasons to act against me. BY complying with the Data Protection Act the Gloucestershire Police actually incriminated themselves. Please note Nigel – UKIP still has not complied with my Data Protection Act request – thus not only breaking the provisions of the Act – but also implying to me, and others, that you have things to hide. Nigel, why won’t you comply with the ACT? I need to see the minutes of the “Political Committee” that allegedly discussed my case at the time of the internal elections. There are many emails too that I know exist and you must divulge. The Data Protection Act and the Freedom of Information Act are virtually the only pieces of good legislation passed by Blair – you seem to be frightened by them – why?

In 1979 I stood in the Thatcher General Election as a Tory in Bethnal Green. I achieved the second highest swing to the Tories in the country, and easily saved my deposit. It is normal after such an event and after such a personal result, to then put in for a safe seat. However, I found some of the other neighbouring Tories so deceitful, unpleasant and dishonest (some of whom went off in the traditional way to get safe seats) that I went off to write “The Wildlife of the Royal Estates” instead. I decided against a life in politics as I found most of those climbing the ladder totally unpleasant, as indeed I do today. Indeed the only politician that I met at the time that I held any respect for was Peter Shore in the next constituency. He seemed out of character for politicians past or present - straight, honest and pleasant.

When Jimmy Goldsmith came along I changed my mind. I felt I should get involved again – not for my sake – but to help save the pound, and even the country. I got on very well with him. Unlike some of those who huffed and puffed around him, bowing and scraping – I told him exactly how I saw things and I believe that he respected me for that – unlike you Nigel. Anybody who disagrees with you seems to be ejected from the Party – or set-up – and I expect in due course you will set up a Kangaroo Court full of “Yes men” to get rid of me – that seems to be democracy UKIP style at the moment.

Interestingly, or not, Jimmy wanted me to stand against John Major, but I refused, believing that local people should represent their own areas if at all possible. That is why in the Europeans I believe that David Bannerman should stand in London. Also of course, because I believe in total honesty, I do not believe that he should be using the name David Campbell Bannerman. He should be standing on his own ability, not on the name of a long dead politician – what is your take on this Nigel?

It may be of interest to you Nigel that because of my experience in broadcasting and writing I did the voice-over on the Referendum Party’s video that went to thousands of houses and also had some input on the script. Oddly I have never been asked for any input from UKIP as I am told that Jeffrey Titford would not allow it. I have never known why – although in the past you have confirmed the situation? So what was the problem Nigel?

With the sad loss of Jimmy Goldsmith you pleaded with me to join UKIP. After serious consideration, and realising that it could damage me professionally, particularly with the BBC, I agreed. At the same time I was doing much for the Countryside Alliance and at one rally addressed 125,000 people.

At the time of the European Elections in 2003 I agreed to be a candidate. As usually happens at the hustings I injured myself just before. I fell off a ladder and landed on my head – on concrete – concussing myself and damaging an arm. For trying to take part in one hustings meeting – with a splitting headache and leaving early, certain people within UKIP started “spinning” against me. A reliable journalist would not reveal the person or people involved but informed me that it came from the UKIP computer at its Chelmsford HQ. It was said later that the computer was examined and the entire material for the time concerned had been wiped. You stated at the time that the spinning must have been done by Titford, Gulleford or Wise individually or in combination. I have no idea. It was said that even so I missed second place by four votes. From the way in which UKIP runs its elections, I do not necessarily accept the result.
However – although I believe that I was stitched up – I agreed to do nothing, for the sake of UKIP.

However Nigel, you know that I have been stitched up for a second time and in view of the behaviour of Wise etc I am not prepared to allow blatant dishonesty to prevail again.

You know that for these elections I did exactly what your paid staff asked me to do. Strangely, an email from Stuart Agnew to John West actually confirms this and there should be other evidence that is almost certainly being withheld (or of course destroyed). You also know that the Curtis Report was nonsense and of course Wise put Curtis in place originally. You have also totally ignored the report and recommendations of your Returning Officer, Piers Merchant. The sooner UKIP elections are handled by the Electoral Reform Society to prevent vote rigging, gerrymandering and or corruption the better – but of course Nigel, I think you are opposed to that – why? You know that people were accepted late onto lists and apparently you have put your own choices at the top of lists. And are you going to parachute Bob Spink into the East? Then of course it was you who described the weak and silver-spooned Gill as “unprofessional”. The elections were a total farce. I am told that you spoke against me at meetings, when you told me you had no say in the matter at all. Thanks friend. Strange that – I did regard you as a friend. Evidently you regarded me in the same way as you regarded Richard North – what was that? Some sort of threat? You certainly don’t seem to understand teamwork, combining skills and abilities; you just seem to want to dominate “gofors” who say “Yes Nigel. No Nigel. Three bags full Nigel”.

Incidentally, your treatment of Richard North was a disgrace and at this particular time, Richard onboard, as part of a team, would have been invaluable. Where has UKIP been lately? Invisible – congratulations.

But there are other issues Nigel. I remember you boasting to me how much the call-centres were making. Where did the money go and how much did they make?

In my view you must also come clean about the Isle of Man. Have you and/or your brother got a Trust Fund there or not? What is it for and where did the money come from? If it is an educational Trust, as it is rumoured, who can benefit from it? I know you were on the Isle of Man for two days in May – did any aspect of your trip involve money? These are all reasonable questions Nigel and require an answer. Are members of the NEC incapable of asking these questions?

It is odd – in the past you have claimed to want honesty and transparency in Europe. I want to see honesty and transparency in UKIP. At the moment UKIP has become the “sleaze party” it seems to me.

Then there is the “wog” issue. If it is just a story to create mischief, fine, say so and it gives people chance to believe you. But it is also said that there are witnesses and you were filmed – which if true would make it difficult. So be honest Nigel. Did it occur? If it did you should stand down. If it did not – fine.

I urged you to stand as leader. I was wrong. In my view you have shown that you have few leadership qualities – surrounding yourself with yes men and in my view flouting UKIP’s own rules. You are turning UKIP into a one-man band – a dictatorship – and at the same time turning a small party into an even smaller party. All this also helps to explain to me why you gave me virtually no support when at short notice I was removed from the BBC’s “Question Time” and never put back on again.

In my view Nigel your honesty and integrity has descended to the same level as Edward Heath. I am disappointed as I considered you as a friend and taking on my mother’s philosophy I still like you, as I don’t bear grudges. However Nigel for the sake of UKIP and the good people making up the grass roots – stand down before you do any more damage to the anti-EU cause. You are not only bringing UKIP into disrepute, in my view, you are confirming that politics brings out the worst in people. Power and politics, however small and insignificant, corrupt – pathetic isn’t it?

Yours,

Robin Page

I am sure many of you could list far more comments than those Robin has chosen – had you heard that I am mad?
That I am a BNP supporter?
That I work for the EU?
That I work for MI5 or was it 6 well maybe CIA or oh yes that imbecile Boob Feel Martinis claimed I worked for BOSS (South African Bureau fOr State Security!), You will have heard that EUkip never prosecute me because I have no money!!!
Any decent organisation would seek to silence me and force an apology through the Courts based on maintaining their reputation – EUkip however are well aware that no libel is committed if the statement is the truth and that as Batten said to one person by mistake that it would cost over £100,000 to lose in Court! A Freudian slip or a statement of the obvious as he realises.
Then there is the ridiculous claim that because I have cancer they would not look good trying to clear their name – however I do have the witnessed statements of one EUkip MEP saying ‘The Bloody Bookseller in Chepstow but who cares he’ll be dead soon he’s got cancer’ without accessing the documents as I recall that was in early 2002!
Virtually without exception the EUkip MEPs are some of the most revolting, ill educated, dishonest chavs it has been my misfortune to meet I do so agree with Robin’s assessments above. Sadly the pond life that has gathered like parasites and leaches around them are the only thing that makes them look good – Croucher, Denny, Fuller, Moran, Carver, Zucherman, McGough, Smith, Bannerman, Duffy, Andreasen, Wood, Lott, Williams, Mickelthwaite, Kingscott, Agnew, Lawson etc. low lifes, trash, spivs, climbers and beneath contempt in their dishonesty – as proven by the mess the party is in!
Many will recall the lies of Farage during the hustings and the lies of his supporters and staff to ensure they kept their snouts in the troughs.What do you think of this comment:

From: Sent: 21 October 2008 00:15To: glancebackSubject: Ukip's failure to comply with Data Protection Act request

From Robin Page by email 19.10.2008
Hard copy to be sent on 20.10.2008

Dear Paul Nuttall,

This is to remind you that UKIP has failed to comply with any aspect of my Data Protection Act request.

As required by law I am sending you a copy of the original request made to your predecessor.

I am now giving you seven days to comply with the requirements of the Act.
Failure to do this will mean that I will have to take my complaint directly to the Information Commissioner, Mr.Richard Thomas.

I have to say that UKIP’s failure to comply with the law further brings UKIP, particular its leader and members of the NEC, into disrepute, and in my view indicates serious maladministration. From comments I have heard I believe that there is a growing feeling within UKIP that the present leader and several members of the NEC should stand down before dragging UKIP even further down into the gutter and into electoral oblivion at the next European elections.

I have to say too that by simply returning my cheque emphasises UKIP’s incompetence and belief that it is above the law. In fact the reality of the action is that UKIP has been shown itself to be childish, as well as incompetent, a very unfortunate condition for a political party that wants to run a country.

I hope to hear from you soon with all the information requested under the Data Protection Act. A further result of your failure to comply will also mean that I will have to inform the Electoral Commission of your behaviour, which is totally unacceptable.

Yours sincerely,

Robin Page

Robin is being foolish thinking NuttAll has any say!
NuttAll is merely profiting from the corruption in EUkip and is thus no more nor less scum than the rest of them – PLACED in position by Farage he is owned, bought and paid for – a man of ANY integrity would have refused to collude in such chavvery a pathetic little Liverpool Scally with, it seems, a reputation for aggression and no ability as a mediator or leader – like his puppet master.
Were he a man he would be ashamed to appear in public.Let them huff, puff and bluster Robin these sad little muppets haven’t a clue how to behave they don’t even trust eachother or how would I be supplied by so much information by so many – Both the honest seeking a clean up and the corrupt seeking protection are my informants and even those who run off at the mouth in public slandering me are some that inform me in the certain knowledge that I WILL NEVER break a trust but if I find out through other means they are doomed.


Like Robin I can not stand corruption, dishonesty or greed in public life.
Further I have NEVER wittingly lied on any matter of consequence NEVER deliberately.
PLEASE HELP US TO CLEAN UP EUkip and restore it to the people as UKIP in a fit and proper condition that men and women of integrity could vote for it and if that can not be done
PLEASE HELP US ensure not one single MEP is elected from amongst the scum that are listed.


Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 – 62 65 62

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