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Sunday, 30 November 2008

#173* - Bob Feel MARTINIZ So VERY Wrong AGAIN.

#173* - Bob Feel MARTINIZ So VERY Wrong AGAIN.

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

THE TOAD IN HIS HOLE:
Hi,

Perhaps without libel or flatullent bluster Bob Feel Martiniz of Swindon, might identify a single solitary deliberate lie of consequence that I have EVER stated on a Forum or elsewhere.
Please identify a single solitary untruth that I have stated regarding EUkip and its corruption.
Perhaps it would show just a smidgeon of intelligence if you were able to explain to the rest of us why, if I have so grievously misled people was NuttAll's ill considered, vexatious and malign letter threatening Anthony Butcher in the most degenerate and under hand manner seeking to suppress the truth by threatening FREEDOM OF SPEECH utterly bereft of a single solitary legal fact to show where any untruth had EVER been printed against the corrupt, fraudulent, dishonest and morally degenerate NEC & leadership of EUkip.
The new EUkip with its BNP styling nay even fascist as made VERY clear by [URL=http://juniusonukip.blogspot.com/2008/11/democracy-in-ukip-disgraceful-treatment.html] Junius[/URL] in the posting of today on the blog, which seems to have a strange overlap of thought with the postings on Political Gossip UK blog.
The BFM has duplicitously wheedled out of responding to this postings elsewhere - perhaps one day he will develope a backbone of his own and answer the comments made.

Quote:
:Originally Posted by Bob FM As always GLW plays his usual game of distorting the truth. Had I not mentioned my previous posts, he would have contended that junius's information had come from 'insiders', now he uses what I said to imply I have acted without evidence.My evidence for my stance is simple. The NEC are the section of the party who conduct discipline hearings. EE has been suspended and is likely to be permanently removed from the NEC, and despite knowing this he has continued to denigrate the party therefore I fail to see how the Regional Committee and our perspective MEP's can support him remaining on the steering committee.By the way GLW, I left the police with a Certificate of Exemplary Conduct. So I would respectfully suggest you withdraw your last comments.
Hi,

Do you smell like you sound as thick as?

Quote:As always GLW plays his usual game of distorting the truth. Had I not mentioned my previous posts, he would have contended that junius's information had come from 'insiders', now he uses what I said to imply I have acted without evidence.
Get a friend to read what I said on Democracy Forum and then explain it to you - if you have one!

Quote:My evidence for my stance is simple. The NEC are the section of the party who conduct discipline hearings.
Do try not to be so dull - next time you pull your ears apart try mental floss - an old bit of rope will do!

READ YOUR OWN CONSTITUTION & RULES - think it through, much as EUkip are following the example of the BNP - (The BNP in blazers) even pretending they have been infiltrated by them rather than are BNP in style and look, we know they are working towards setting aside The Disciplinary Committee and changing the rules & Constitution to create a 'Constitutional' junta out of the NEC with an unelected little puppet as dictator, thus an attempt to keep the weak and self seeking Farage out of the firing line.
Then in January sending out a copy of the in house comic Independence News with an expplanation that they have been infiltrated and need to take firm action and want to do it all above board by making a change in the Constitution and rules and conning the well meaning patriotic members who haven't a clue what is really happening into voting for the changes.
Meanwhile suspending various people or refusing to renew their memberships until AFTER the 12th. December, the closing date for NEC applications.
These crooked bastars who have corruptly gained Kontrol of the party will have their spin on their 'Reichstag Fire' moment to rattle the glass for their decent members just like 'Kristell Nacht' where the Germans were duped into believing all the woes of Germany were the fault of Jews and their money grabbing profiteering!
Quote:EE has been suspended and is likely to be permanently removed from the NEC, and despite knowing this he has continued to denigrate the party therefore I fail to see how the Regional Committee and our perspective MEP's can support him remaining on the steering committee.
Well you aren't up to speed lad - there is a new revisionist version available from the cockroach - get him to scuttle over with a copy for you.
I should imagine Eric would be quite pleased if they have formally chucked him off as an individual of substance it will absolve him of liability for the party debts - as an NEC member he would be jointly and severally liable which won't effect the fraudulent Bannerman, liar that he is, since he only has the little flat between the railway lines at Acton as he hasn't had a proper job for many years, which lasted, or so his CV indicates.
It would also sver Eric from association with the bunch of bullying illiterates and foul mouthed irresponsible idiots. Just imagine having to listen to Linda up the Duff shouting at people on the NEC - clearly discernable on tape and the MP3 recording. With those neck muscles puffed up she must look like a badly chipped refrigerator with a head!
Or the vituperative hissing of EUkip's own legal consultant in her famed role out of school as a Japanese No Actor.
With Jill poor lass - so confused that one look from Farage and she falls in line whether in front of or behind his tame book keeper or not there is no doubt F.A. in it as they reverse order for attention.
What a ghastly ambition that people might think such people are friends! No wonder he doesn't meet with the rest of the NEC before the meeting in the Hotel for their plan of attack meeting.Having only just joined the party Bob let me warn you - Dr. Eric Edmond was ELECTED on by the MEMBERS because of his integrity, probity and unimpeachable track record - also because he had extensive banking experience - the purpose was to try to get to the bottom of the accounts and assure members that what seems to be several £Millions that have gone missing have in fact been legitimately accounted and legitimately spent.
You may also note that EVERYONE of intelligence and integrity has, without exception, been steadily and inexorably removed by the BNP tactics of the incumbents.
This may sound far fetched but be minded of the dross on the NEC and understand that the following people were forced to quit for asking for details of accounts:
Petrina Holdsworth, Chairman - Barrister early retirement, husband a Judge.
John de Roeke, Treasurer - Independent Import Business & Finance.
Ian Gilman, - Early Retirement from own business which he sold.
Gill Chant, I do not recall
Anthony Butcher, Independent web based businesses.
Richard Suchorzewski, ex Chairman of Wales, Leadership contender banker qualified Banking, accountancy, IFA, Mortgage Adviser & Consultant - Primary business M&A.
Lynda Guest, ex British Airways now family engineering business.

Currently being engineered duplicitously are:
Dr. Eric Edmond, Retired ex Civil Serbvice Heath's Negotiating team re. EU membership. Later University Maths. lecturer, laterly Bank of England executive Market Maker.
Dr. David Abbott, Medical Practicioner USA, Canada & Britain
- both of whom have asked for financial information.

Then we have Delboy - well they are scared witless of him as they fear dumping him because some may see it as racist to get rid of a black man - however it would have more integrity than treating him as the tokenry 'coon' and taunting him as the in house 'boy' without anyone to back him up. Unfortunately Del - honest as he may or may not be (no one knows as to this date he has never produced a CV or told anyone what his job is, if he has one).
Sadly he ends up losing his temper at being taunted and starts shouting in the belief that if he can shout louder he will be believed, unaware that he who shouts loses the argument and with the chavs, low lifes and BNP look alikes on the NEC he stands no chance.If as you claim Dr. Edmond should NOT be on the Regional Committee perhaps you could advise us all as to what level you believe honesty, integrity and probity should commence in EUkip - you don't want it from the leadership - you don't want it from the NEC - you don't want disciplinary committees - now you don't want it at regional level.
You surprise me that you received :
Quote:By the way GLW, I left the police with a Certificate of Exemplary Conduct.
Obviously I have nothing to retract as I asked a question, I did NOT make a statement.However I am surprised and must assume it has been down hill ever since. In view of you willingness to tollerate, even issue, lies and dishonesty. Your bullying aggressive attitude, your loutish behaviour and your staggering stupidity.
That is so much more redollent of the police of today than of yester year - possibly your part of the force was ahead of its time.How much evidence of corruption does one have to place under your nose - how many proven decent people must point it out to you, how blind are you to the obvious etc.
Just when, as an ex policeman do you wake up or do you just rush off after peeing in a bottle in the back of a van where you have been all night and without propper intelligence, backed up by no clear instruction get your mates to hols an innocent man still in his seat on the Tube and without warning put 6 soft nose rounds in his head and one in his shoulder and then with your mates breeze off to the canteen to boast about it until the holiday tickets for you and the family come through from HQ.
Come to think of it you do have a lot in common with the modern police force - part of the canteen culture where if you are patted on the head and invited to the pub for a drink by the head hocho in the canteen you will do ANYTHING to stay with the in crowd.
How deeply ashamed you will feel (but sadly probably not) when you realise that smarter men than you have conned you and you have been offensive, ill mannered, bullying and a total oaff with people who keep trying to wake you up to facts before your very eyes.
Had it not occured to you Bob that your only consistent support here are paid running dogs, idiotic and unanaltyic children of little or no life experience and McGough who is a proven liar, who lied to cheat his friends and dupe his associates to gain advantage over them in his lust to get his snout in the feeding troughs on the EU gravy train.
Do wake up Bob, look about you and THINK analytically.
There is more to this than YOu can be expected to have caught onto.
You are just making a complete Rse of yourself.
Please don't reply it will serve your cause badly whatever you say but if you GENUINELY want to know what is going on either come and have an ale in Chepstow or give me a phone call, or ring Niall or Eric or David Abbott, or Petrina, or Ian Gilman, or Andy Parsons (Cstream), or Paul Wesson (Aardvark), or Rob McWhirter (spon plage), or Geoffrey Collier or a host of others.
We are in the main individuals of some substance and achievement, a majority retired and of independent means to a greater or lesser extent - to a man unimpeachable patriots with a command of our glorious language and a willingness to risk all for our country.
What has a single solitary member of your much vaunted leadership team and NEC done that was not seeking personal gain?Just look at some of the scum that has floated to the top in EUkip with Farage.
These are ALL individuals you can not find a substantive factual fault with and NONE seek cash gain in EUkip.
Think for a moment - do you think they are ALL telling YOU lies just for fun?
Regards,
Greg L-W.
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#172* - ANDREASSEN, Marta - More Chapter & Less Verse!

#172* - ANDREASSEN, Marta - More Chapter & Less Verse!

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

A FOLLOW ON FROM:
http://caterpillarsandbutterflies.blogspot.com/2008/11/157-martha-andreassen-is-trying-hard.html
Hi,

further to the facts we have provided of THE Seemingly totally Discreditted Marta Andreassen at #157 on this blog - you may find this follow on with further data of help, in ascertaining the validity of Andreassen which can be located at http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/ukip-general-issues/54748-marta-andreasen-allegations-misrepresentation-her-cv.html#post565024 and it was posted by an ex-member on The Democrecy Forum.

It was Anthony Butchers Forum at: http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/ukip-general-issues/ where EUkip were making something of fools of themselves with a concerted effort to stiffle the truth and control FREEDOM OF SPEECH in a Nazi style as the party becomes more Fascist in its styles and methods.

[QUOTE=ex-member;564996]It seems that the background of Marta Andreasen is unravelling.There was always doubt hanging over her as she is said to be paid £36,000 plus expenses to be UKIP Treasurer, a job which was done for free in the past by ‘troublemakers’ such as John de Roeck and others.

We have long known she was sacked by the European Commission but it now turns out she was also ‘suspended without pay’ and then left her accounting job at the OECD.Most damaging is that the OECD claims it has ‘conclusive evidence’ that she misrepresented her CV and she claims she was not given a fair trial over allegations of ‘racism’.

The European Commission has stated, and it is not thought Andreasen has denied this, that she concealed the fact that she had been suspended from an accounting job at the OECD when she applied for a job at the EC. She also concealed the fact that she was – possibly wrongly – who knows? – accused of ‘racism’ by the OECD and she also concealed the fact that she was taking the OECD to Court.Both the OECD and the EC allege she misrepresented her CV.Unless she made a full and frank disclosure of these facts, it would appear that she has again misrepresented her CV to UKIP and for gain – the £36,000 p.a. plus expenses.

But was the current UKIP leadership aware of these facts when it agreed to make her the non-resident £36,000 p.a. Treasurer plus putting her on the list of MEP candidates.

When did it become aware of these facts?

What action is it going to take?

See extract below from article in Accountancy Age - full story at[url=http://www.pcw.co.uk/accountancyage/features/2040238/marta-andreasen-return-grace]Marta Andreasen: A return to grace - Personal Computer World[/url]
'Accusations of racism' apparently - perhaps she's not quite as saintly as she makes out.This article also describes her as 'EC budget execution and accounting officer' NOT Chief Accountant.Andreasen is no stranger to confrontation. Appointed head of the accounting division at the OECD in October 1998, she clashed with her then employer.

Her spell there ended with her bid to take the organisation to the European Court of Justice claiming her human rights had been violated as she had not been given a 'fair trial' following allegations of racism, and that she raised 'undue doubts' and unsupported 'alarmist allegations' in relation to OECD accounts.The OECD admitted that its accounting system was 'archaic' but denied Andreasen's suspension only came as a result of the concerns she raised.

Also this article also from Accountancy Age:[url=http://www.computeractive.co.uk/accountancyage/news/2023711/accountant-seeks-damages-oecd?vnu_lt=ca_art_related_articles]Accountant seeks damages from OECD - 24 Oct 2000 - Computeractive[/url]
Marta Andreasen, who was appointed head of the accounting division in October 1998, claims her human rights were violated as she was not given a 'fair trial' after being suspended following allegations of racism and that she raised 'undue doubts' and unsupported 'alarmist allegations' in relation to OECD accounts.

Andreasen claims allegations against her emerged only after she had raised concerns about the accounts. She is seeking damages and recognition from the OECD that the allegations are without foundation.

The OECD admits its accounting system was 'archaic' and in urgent need of reform but denies Andreasen's suspension only came as a result of the concerns she raised. Arthur Andersen was called in to investigate claims made by Andreasen.

She says a first draft issued in November 1999 supported her allegations while the OECD maintains the Dutch authors of the report misunderstood the word 'misappropriation' when writing in English.A second draft supports the organisation's contention that there is no missing money, according to an OECD spokesman. The OECD claims it has 'conclusive evidence' she misrepresented her CV, and says Andreasen has not yet exhausted the organisation's own internal appeals procedure.

Also this article from Democracy Forum:[url]http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/431906-post9.html[/url]Originally Posted by Wolfie Smith
I note that Marta Andreasen was sacked from the OECD. There were charges of racism made against her, prior to her making allegations relating to OECD accounting. The OECD have also alleged that she 'misrepresented' herself on her c.v.

She is said not to have divulged the racism allegations when she applied for a position at the Commission, nor the fact that she was taking her former employers to the European Court of Human Rights to seek damages.

She likes to sue people. She threatened to sue Lib Dem MEP Graham Watson back in 2002, after he questioned her credibility.

I also understand that she will only be a 'figurehead' treasurer, and that someone in Farage's patch has been taken on to do the actual day to day work.
This is all a tad shady, to my eyes.

Also this article from UNICORN website:[url=http://www.againstcorruption.org/BriefingsItem.asp?id=12639]Corruption Info[/url]Marta Andreasen: Whistleblower Sacked by the EC In September 2002, Neil Kinnock, the European Commission's Vice President, faced allegations of gagging a whistleblower who exposed EU lax accounting practices.Marta Andreasen, 57, staged a news conference earlier in the year in London in which she accused Mr Kinnock of failing to clean up the Brussels bureaucracy.

Mr Kinnock insisted her complaints about flaws in the EU accounting system were known about before she joined the Commission and that she had been hired specifically to help implement changes.Mr Kinnock claims that Ms Andreasen breached Commission rules by not using prescribed disclosure routes but instead talking without clearance to MEPs, the media and the EU's financial watchdog, the Court of Auditors.

Ms Andreasen was also accused of concealing from the Commission at the time of her appointment the fact that she had been suspended from a similar accounting job at the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development. (OECD)The Spaniard was suspended five months after raising concerns about financial incompetence. She claimed that she had been followed in the streets of Brussels and that her e-mail and telephone calls were monitored - a claim rejected by Commission officials.

She was later sacked from her post as a senior EC accountant after declaring that corruption and misuse of public funds were rife within the Commission.

In October 2004 it was reported that the Serious Fraud Office in the UK was considering whether to investigate alleged misconduct within the European Commission after receiving a dossier of evidence from Marta Andreasen who argues that the SFO has a legal duty to step in because UK taxpayers contribute around £12 billion a year to the EU budget.

References The Observer [Publication date: 31/10/2004] 'SFO called in to EU scandal: Whistleblower urges inquiry into 'fraud dossier'' [url=http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,1339969,00.html]SFO called in to EU scandal Business The Observer[/url] [Date URL accessed: 16/11/2004 Source ID = 12638]

Sunday Telegraph [Publication date: 17/10/2004] 'Fired whistleblower to take revenge on Euro commissioners 'I have more than 100 documents that can bolster my claims of poor book-keeping,' says Brussels's former chief accountant' by DAVID WASTELL [Date URL accessed: 17/10/2004 Source ID = 12421]

THE DAILY TELEGRAPH [Publication date: 14/10/2004] 'EU whistleblower in pounds 130m case is fired' [Date URL accessed: 23/11/2004 Source ID = 12423]

[Publication date: 21/10/2003] 'Attack on EU missed the vital facts' [Date URL accessed: 14/12/2004 Source ID = 12756]

Press Association [Publication date: 9/9/2002] 'KINNOCK FACES GRILLING OVER 'WHISTLEBLOWER GAG' CLAIMS' by Geoff Meade [Date URL accessed: 9/9/2002 Source ID = 7109]
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Regards,
Greg L-W.
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Saturday, 29 November 2008

#171* - CLARK, Derek MEP EUkip FRAUD & CORRUPTION

#171* - CLARK, Derek MEP EUkip FRAUD & CORRUPTION
Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

UKIP MEMBERS should call CLARK to a Disciplinary hearing & EUkip!


Hi,

slide to political oblivion!!!!

Would that these United Kingdoms had never raised this corrupt little man from oblivion.
39 years teaching the same course is hardly a career is it - more a job. The mental challenge of the navvy digging the same hole to put the same telegraph pole in.
Derek Clark's nemesis came when he first lied to his calleagues and friends - this is the man who promised to stand down at Christmas, he never honoured that promise. He suddenly thought he was important because electors had elected UKIP (no one EVER elected Derek Clark - he had merely engineered his way to the top of the list, no achievement there just dishonesty and a willingness to cheat, Bannerman just lied to achieve it).

The MEP for the East Midlands thought he was important and strutted around in Brussels telling everyone he was a scientist!!!

Then he turned up at a public meeting and proudly announced that he was obtaining money fraudullently from the EU, and thought this was clever! This man is clearly an idiot and clearly without integrity as he does not know that fraud, is fraud, is fraud.

Derek Clark claimed for one thing from the EU and obtained money which he then spent on something else THAT IS FRAUD - even if you are a scientist - well teach children general science year in year out. I wonder if a single solitary child he ever taught ever went on to be a scientist!

Then the odious little man attacked his own elected regional committee setting up false evidence and a malicious attack on his long serving chairman Peter Baker a dedicated campaigner for UKIP, but EUkip and dishonesty was on a roll and Peter was ordered to a kaourt presided over by the pompous little Denny in his high heels.

Due to the dishonesty of the evidence provided by Derek Clark, the total lack of understanding of Justice by the none to bright little Chocolate Button and the strutting self importance of the dishonest and corrupt Douglas Denny the case collapsed.

Then we have Derek Clark working with Farage and the pro EU Group the Ind.Dem.Group and the treacherous and corrupt Derek Clark signed up to an agreement to betray the core belief on which UKIP members campaign and voted for this duplicitous little old man. Derek Clark signed an agreement for his treacherous leader in EUkip an agreement that EUkip and their pro. EU Group he signed up to an agreement that Britain would have GREATER Subsidiarity to the EU.

Astonishingly Derek Clark was elected by decent fork to work to expose corruption and has with his friends wallowed in it, taking his wife with him to events all over the EU and obtaining money fraudullently as he boasted.

Not content with that Derek Clark elected to campaign to get Britain out of the EU went on to betray the electorate and our Country shamefully signing up to GREATER subsidiarity to The EU.

It is not as if this was just a small error he went on on behalf of EUkip to sign an agreement that Britain would work WITH and co-operate WITH EU committees to strengthen EU regulations and control OVER Britain.

It is surprising, in view of how corrupt the EU is, that this duplicitous little old man who so willingly betrayed his Country and UKIP members for his own vain glory in EUkip is being investigated by The EU.

Derek Clark MEP EUkip is being investigated by OLAF: Derek Clark's OLAF Case Number: D/007/033/04.09.08
Derek Clark's OLAF Investigation Number:DD/FD-D2008.A1/7133/OF/2008/0240

Yet it is this sordid little old man in desperation trying to grovel to his masters the bully boys and BNP style NEC and leadership that is the EUkip of today - we understand in betrayal of member he is drawing up ways of varying the constitution to grant the pond life that has hi jacked the dreams and aims of UKIP's decent moral members and now aims for dictatorial powers. Kontrol to carry out corrupt kangaroo courts and contrived dismissals of decent people just for trying to excercise the rather arcane (as far as EUkip is concerned) concept of democracy and asking questions and debating concepts like Niall Warry, John West and others - or seeking the answers to legitimate questions like where is EUkip's money going and in the certain knowledge of large amounts of money going missing unaccounted the ask IS IT being trousered by people with access to it!

It seems that Dr. Eric Edmond - elected by decent members of UKIP to represent them and their best interests on the NEC.Dr. Edmond could not even find out what HIS personal liability was as an elected NEC member. For having the timerity to try to establish this Dr. Edmond was harried, abused and insulted by the corrupt BNP style NEC and leadership.

Clearly the NEC members are in the main men and women of straw and don't care that they are EUkip's banker of last resort since they have achieved nothing in life or have like Farage salted money away off shore - they don't care about their NEC duties.

Behind much of this and also behind the failure of honest accounting of Ashford, since he was secretary, is yet again the dishonest, corrupt, bullying and self seeking Derek Clark.
We KNOW Derek Clark has betrayed us all and we KNOW he is under investigation by OLAF:

Derek Clark's OLAF Case Number:
D/007/033/04.09.08

Derek Clark's OLAF Investigation Number:
DD/FD-D2008.A1/7133/OF/2008/0240


Can anyone provide more details of this corrupt little old man - do you have details of other OLAF numbers, Police Investigations?
Bribes to staff?

Dissproportionate funding of staff, friends, family, etc.?
anything to ensure this duplicitous little old man no longer represents UKIP as he represents himself, betrayal, duplicity, bullying and EUkip none of which have British values ANY decent moral member of UKIP with integrity would recognise as virtues worth upholding.

It is time the members Won THEIR Party Back and held disciplinary hearings to remove people like Derek Clark who have brought UKIP and Britain into Disrepute.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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#170* - THE Returning Officer's Condemnation

#170* - THE Returning Officer's Condemnation

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

EUkip's RETURNING OFFICER'S REPORT -

THE OFFICIAL REPORT THAT WASN'T OFFICIAL!

WELL YOU WORK IT OUT
FARAGE, NUTTALL & BANNERMAN
SEEM VERY CONFUSED!!


To Read Each Page - click on the page.
To return to the document in full - click the back page arrow.

Which part of official don't Nuttall & Farage Understand?
I can understand the desk being confused!!


































































































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#169* - From 'JUNIUS', an Important Issue!

#169* - From 'JUNIUS', an Important Issue!

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

THE LIES OF EUkip ARE INCREASINGLY FARCICAL
Members of the NEC are now claiming that they did not receive a written copy of Mr Merchants report on the MEP selection/election process.

They argue that as they did not get the report it could not have been sent to Greg Lance-Watkins by a member of the NEC. This has been done in order to suggest that Piers is the source of the leak. This is, of course, pure nonsense. I can assure you all that Mr Merchant is not the leak.

The NEC has been leaking for years.

But is it so surprising that it leaks like a sieve?

There are still good men and women in UKIP who are not prepared to tolerate corruption, dishonesty and deceit. Farage and Nuttall need to realise that their days are numbered. Tyrants never prosper.

They will soon face their Waterloo.

THE END OF THE JUNIUS POST:
The Original Can Be Viewed with other Junius Posts at:
http://JuniusOnUKIP.BLOGspot.com/

I hope you will agree it was important to give this greater publicity and I have 'Lifted' it from Junius's Blog. aware that our aims to Clean Up EUkip are common to many.

May I add a couple of points. As you know I never confirm or deny my various sources - for their protection.

It is interesting to note that in an earlier Post I predicted that the self seeking and untrustworthy BNP style NEC & Leadership would increasingly fall out.

Do not forget that not only is Piers Merchant a senior executive of UKIP, who neither Farage, Nuttall or any of their corrupt crew can 'witch hunt' and blame as they have no authority since they do not fund his employment. They are without POWER!!!

May I also point out the illogicality of their idiotic statement.

The claim is that their own appointed Returning Officer made, at their request, a presentation of his Official Report to EUkip's corrupt NEC and its parasites at an NEC in full session - This apparently was not official!!
They may by all means treat YOU like an idiot but they picked the wrong guy here! Just how stupid are EUkip's self seeking and clearly corrupt NEC & Leadership.

Just what are their supposed skills for as you will remeber the sad little unelected puppet chairman of Farage's had to call the Metropolitan Police to restore order at his own meeting! SAYS IT ALL.

Then consider the Official Report, which they deny despite its presentation to the entire NEC & others of Farage's parasites, was posted upon my blog shortly after it was presented and then later that day was reposted on Anthony Butcher's Forum by Robert McWhirter from Switzerland.

Since all but everybody has now read the 9 or was it 10 page report weeks ago may we know why it has taken these dullards to dream up this self serving nonsense.

I understand it is likely The Delusional Desk aka Bannerman may well put his name to this startling revelation at a meeting of the committee appointed by Tom Wise later today - just how stupid is he that he is willing to put his name to the nonsense (well somebodies, or will he sign it DESK?).

However this is not altogether surprising as having lied about who he is, he is now hanging onto his EU job by the grace of .....

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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#168* - KBO - We WILL WIN The Day

#168* - KBO - We WILL WIN The Day

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

K.B.O.
We WILL Win The Day but not with ease.


Hi,

may I remind one and all of Churchill's speech on virginity!

However KBO as the corruption and dishonesty that is now EUkip's leadership and NEC have outsmarted THEMSELVES.

Their attempt at a 'Reichstag Fire' moment left them utterly implausible when they tried to link Dr. Eric Edmond, Martin Hasslam & Dr. David Abbott as some sort of BNP infiltrators - stupidly mailing out press releases to imply that and with the idiots setting up their transparently dishonest blog at Truth about UKIP showed them for the dishonest fools they are - clearly they failed to link the 3 individuals with the BNP and as for 'Reichstag Fire' moments it left Farage and his corrupt cronies scorched with their own petrol - plain for all to see.

The attempt at rapid regrouping and trying to silence the truth had failed to take into account the blogs which they had clearly angered me into, shortly after followed by whoever is Political Gossip UK and then Junius who clearly has overlapping contacts with me.

It really really was a mistake to lie about me - I shall not depart the defence of these United Kingdoms until we win - too many honourable lives have been lost for our hard won freedoms to tollerate filth like that which Farage has gathered around him to be allowed to win.

By gathering self seekers and purchased fans around him Farage has built a recipe for his own demise as it is the parasites that kill the host in the end. you need only read the banal and childishly contrived so called charge sheet against Dr. Eric Edmond and the lies drawn up against John West to realise Farage has only mental children around him - no intellects, no hard men, no competence.

Already the 'theives fall out' who IS Junius, who DOES supply my leaks, who IS PGUK.

No one trusts the parasites as donors.

Importing the utterly discreditted political prostitute Marta Andreassen was a mistake that with the lies of Bannerman will prove Farage's Mill Stone.

You will notice the frenetic attacks on those who bring the truth to the Forum - attack after attack founded on not a shred of evidence as we repeatedly defend ourselves against the parasites. Note the increase in those coming out of the woodwork in defence of the messengers and EUkip so bereft of competence, ability, strategy, tactics or vision that they keep recycling their snippets of stories on RSS and muppets again and again.May I remind you once more of Churchill's speech and admonish you in his terms K.B.O.

Do not forget that in over 10 years the filth that has hijacked the party has NEVER been able to show I have EVER deliberately told a material untruth.

Await the braying of the asses and the baying of Farage's running dogs
without exception dishonourable parasites seeking preferment and self enrichment.

They will fight like rats in a corner as they have everything to loose and loose they will.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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#167* - CONSIDER YOUR Ballot Paper!

#167* - CONSIDER YOUR Ballot Paper!

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It is a fine line but failure is NOT an option!
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Originally Posted by Hartlepool
The establishment would judge these as spoiled ballot papers, just like putting a rude comment on them wouldn't they?

Hi,

Indeed they would and surely that is better than the clear majority staying at home in pure apathy because they are not prepared to trust politicians any more.

Already the establishment is nearing self destruct - when people like me with little financial expertise were predicting the present catastrophy 10 years ago accurately and are aware of the fire storm still pending whilst the so called experts pretend (well I hope pretend) they didn't see it coming - who can respect Bankers, accountants, politicians and the barrow boys of the City as 'The Establishment'Clearly we are in grave peril at the hands of experts, The higher up the tree the monkey climbs the more you see its Rs.

I believe in terms of economic maelstrom you ain't seen nothing yet and it will NOT be the so called Establishment that can see our peoples through the impending currency collapse, anarchy and famine - They have proved their incompetence.

With a lot of hard work we COULD take the moral high ground and leave the politicians without a valid mandate.

At the moment there is NO Political Party whom ANYONE of integrity and morality could vote for to GET OUR COUNTRY BACK.The Tories will never again Lend UKip their vote the way they were betrayed by EUkip last time.

Never forget that every single so called ballot paper spoiled is scrutinised by every candidate, every agent, every returning officer and noted by the media.

Noticable numbers of such votes WILL make an impact.EUkip is unlikely to unless the rotten head can be removed rapidly giving UKIP a chance to rebuild.Do not forget EUkip will not only have limited funding but will have numerous of the 50% of the active members of integrity who have left in disgust (some 15,000 even by EUkip's figures) many of whom have vowed to actively campaign against EUkip in the light of EUkip's dishonesty - rather than see corrupt, venal and self seeking EUkip liars, louts and betrayers returned.

Surely any decent person would rather see people like Derek Clark, Nigel Farage and their ilk tossed out rather than EUroScepticism dragged into their gutter for a further period of their betrayal and self enrichment.

Clearly there is much more to follow when the BNP styled bully boys and low lifes who have infiltrated and hijacked EUkip's leadership and NEC with Farage and his cronies are removed.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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#166* - EUkip SE in near free fall! I Wonnnnnder Why?

#166* - EUkip SE in near free fall! I Wonnnnnder Why?

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

IT IS INCREDIBLE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT SEEMS TO HAVE 'VANISHED'!


Hi,

I gather EUkip South East is struggling - probably due to the discreditted and inappropriate Danish born, Argentinian married and Spanish resident part time accountant/book keeper and the corrupt way in which Farage and his cronies have seized control of EUkip and dragged it into the gutter with its BNP style Kangaroo Courts, Ambushing of loyal UKIP members, obfuscated accounts, dodgey call centres, deliberate and irresponsible dishonesty regarding the Electoral Commission, ever growing list of upcoming Court cases, OLAF enquiries and the FACT that the selection of candidates has been so corrupt EUkip's own Returning Officer has advocated a re-run that can be trusted ie. organised by a trustworthy outside agency.

Also I understand that so few members have joined in the corruption and so many have not renewed membership that not only have membership numbers collapsed but the average age is just under 70.Farage wanted £250,000 for a London Election Office to try to get to hold little Chocolate Button's seat for his to be announced cronie so as to avoid the humiliation of The BNP taking the seat.He also believed he needed £3-400,000 to stand a chance of being elected with Martha Andreasen like a ball and chain around his ankle, embarrassments like the various useful idiots he is using to try and attack those exposing the truth.

Then as far as donations are concerned it isn't very convincing when you are unrecorded as EVER being a donor to the cause and hypocritically paying your wife £25,000 a year.Also the £250,000 would seem to have been trousered in a transfer from Ashford (which just looks like a scam) into a private bank account, the £211,000 that was listed as 'other expenses' in the South East that is a hell of a lot of paper clips.

What happened to the £250,000 that seems to have gone missing on a petition that never happened.Alternatively there was the deposit of £200,000 into an Isle of Man Account in the name of Farage Educational Trust (I guess self improvement is a worthwhile cause!!!).

Then of course there is the £150,000 that was unaccounted in Wales and looks as if it was trousered.

Also the Ramsgate so called call schlenter on which the Spanish practices pertained and it looks like the so called treasurer earned her £36,000+ signing off the accounts without being able to answer simple and legitimate questions from honest UKIP members.

It all seems like de ja vu all over again when a previous irresponsible and dishonest treasurer Andrew Smith legged it in the most unprofessional manner when asked legitimate questions, by a qualified NEC member, regarding the accounts which it seems he was too shoddy to keep.

Perhaps Farage REALLY IS such an incompetent leader that he doesn't understand why EUkip is sliding further into the gutter.

Regards,
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#165* - FUNDING APPEAL

#165* - FUNDING APPEAL

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

May I make an appeal:

Hi,

I am aware that there are those who have financial responsibilities and upholding decency in UKIP in the Eastern Region & elsewhere and defending UKIP and themselves against the corruption endemic in The NEC & EUkip is proving a burden to them, as they are ensuring that they do not put a foot wrong, as it might put them at risk, and advice must perforce be good.

An increasing number are fighting this battle to save UKIP fom being subsumed and I believe that all who value freedom should make a contribution relative to their means and just how much they value liberty, honesty and integrity.

I have asked Major Niall Warry (Green Jacket Rtd.), who is beyond reproach, to act as the collecting point and issue receipts for any and all monies contributed, which he has agreed to do, should this not suit YOU I have also asked Dr. Eric Edmond, who also is of utmost probity, to accept your contribution.

You may be absolutely certain of your donation being properly receipted through either and the monies received handled with utmost care legally.

Thank you - any monies over and above the legitimate costs will be contributed to the fund to clean up EUkip and re-establish probity, morality and integrity - The UKIP that was stolen from the members.

Major Warry & Doctor Edmond
together with the Wests will form the steering committee to liase on projects over and above the reasonable and legitimate needs.

I have used the word 'legitimate ', 'Advisedly' such that the fund does not nor can it be seen to infringe any laws which may make donors liable for ANY costs or expenses beyond the donation and the intermediaries no more liable themselves, under law.

Sometimes honesty costs!

I have launched this on my own initiative knowing that the parties I have nominated will be only too willing to help but due to commitments or legalities may need to nominate another.

Mrs. Voelcker unfortunately foresees problems, professionally for her as a Barrister, if she participates or nominates someone.

I would appreciate it if anyone feels they can assist Niall & Eric as a third collection point please contact me and I will obtain & publish contact details.

Major T. Niall Warry (rtd.) eMail address is Niall@Warry.go-plus.net
&
Dr. Eric Edmond's eMail address is Eric_Edmond@HotMail.co.UK

PLEASE contact them by eMail to have explained the details BEFORE you make any contribution - a day & evening phone number would be appreciated, which will NOT be retained and/or utilised for ANY other matter.

An un-named receipt will be issued for every donation received and no record will be kept of donors.

Regards,
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Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

CAN YOU HELP UKIP?


PLEASE CAN YOU HELP

PLEASE make a copy of the posting below
BETWEEN the #### line and the ~~~~ line.

Please mail it to every Patriot YOU KNOW - just highlight, copy and paste it into an eMail.

You may be able to wake up the Great British Public and sometimes JUST ONE VOTE makes a difference.

Do consider printing it out to hand out to friends and patriots you know or meet.

We MUST clean up EUkip to restore the UKIP cause men and women of integrity and morality can vote for.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP - any problem just give me a call.

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Hi,

R U Up 2 Date with what is happening in EUkip? R U Fea2rd?

Can U Help Clean It Up & restore UKIP liberated from its present corrupt BNP style leadership & NEC.

http://caterpillarsandbutterflies.blogspot.com/
&
http://juniusonukip.blogspot.com/
&
http://politicalgossipuk.blogspot.com/

For further information follow Junius:
on Anthony Butcher’s Forum @ http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/ when he can get out of the office in the UK.

I’m on there too.

If you wish to help clean up EUkip to make it electable once again as UKIP so that people of integrity and morality can support it, liberated from the infiltrators who have seized control and are copying the methods, behaviour and look of The BNP contact us.

If you have further information to help us in the clean up so that Patriots can vote for UKIP liberated from the corruption internally of EUkip and the malign Kangaroo Courts founded on lies and bullying – Pass us the FACTS and we will publish – Your identity will be rigorously protected.

We will ONLY Publish material which can be substantiated, so a clue where we can confirm your information to be certain we are publishing ONLY THE TRUTH will be needed.

NO MATERIAL will be published if supplied anonymously without a contact phone number.

WE PROMISE YOUR IDENTITY WILL NOT BE REVEALED.

You can read my Blog at: http://caterpillarsandbutterflies.blogspot.com

There are many separate Blog/articles posted so far this month – happy catch-up

Regards,
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#164* - EUkip & Extemism - A Conversation

#164* - EUkip & Extemism - A Conversation

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

A CONVERSATION FROM ANTHONY BUTCHER'S FORUM

@ http://www.democracyforum.co.uk/

Hi,

I felt this converstion which I had with a Forum member who is an avowed Tory (should I say has admitted to being?) was worthy of a wider audience.

I reproduce it here as it opens up some different lines of thought relative to EUkip.

There are a few alterations to make it clearer and to aid visually.

Originally Posted by Torytruth
Greg, although Im a Conservative Im also cencerned about the way that Gary is being victimised. He hasnt posted for days so may have been intimidated.

However before I take this further I would like the confirmation of you or anybody else "in the know" that Gary was never in the racist NF

I presume NF is National Front in this instance NOT Nigel Farage!

I believe that Gary is 'Advised' not to post.

I am of the opinion that Gary WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE NATIONAL FRONT.

I believe that is why the coward & bully Mike Smith has NOT identified him as such.

There is a Gary Cartwright listed in the National Front membership lists but in completely the wrong part of Britain relative to the ex RAF Gary Cartwright.

I believe STRESS BELIEVE (as I can not substantiate it) that shortly after leaving the RAF the Gary Cartwright in UKIP (not the brightest of bunnies as he supports Tom Wise currently under arrest and on bail for fraud, money laundering and other offences as made known by Bedfordshire Constabulary and published widely in the media and also exposed as a dullard and without integrity by the NotW.)

Gary seems a likeable individual and gets brownie points in my book for his Military service; shortly after that I understand he had a brief dalliance with the organisation led by Ian Anderson who publishes The Flag. It is a right wing organisation but NOT with the obscene racist and anti Jewish extremism of the National Front - it was because of the views of the NF that Ian Anderson broke away from The NF.

When the schism came in the NF those of the Tyndall persuasion went with John Tyndal to The BNP where they refuse to denounce and disassociate themselves from the extremist American White Supremacists who have made a ritual entertainment over the years of the hanging and dragging of 4-5,000, mostly young men, based on their colour. Nor will the BNP renounce the funding by the extreme anti Jewish Lady Birdwood.

I understand that it was due to these extremist views that Ian Anderson set up his party denouncing the NF and thus The BNP. I believe Gary Cartwright WAS with Anderson's organisation for a year or so as he searched out a means of opposing membership of The EU.I apologise in advance if I have any of these details wrong, but that is to the besyt of my knowledge on these specifics. I had always believed that Ian Andersons organisation was a great deal less racist and extreme than Dennis Delderfield's Party, which I refused to join when asked over lunch with Dennis in Chepstow, when he came to see me one day, some years ago.

I wonder whether you have sufficient influence 'Torytruth' to have Mike Smith adopted back into The Tories without the right to multiple memberships, because it would help in the cleaning up of EUkip no end.

Originally Posted by Torytruth
Greg. I'm fascinated by this information, much of which comes as total news to me.

May I suggest you hunt down Political Gossip UK blog, Caterpillars And Butterflies blog & Junius on UKIP blog and start reading! Once you are convinced of their factual nature do distribute the URLs – sadly only pro UKIP propaganda is permitted to be actually advertised on this Forum section with multiple RSS feeds etc!!!

Originally Posted by Torytruth
I have always thought of UKIP as an essentially moderate centre-right organisation (whether you think it is any good or even "corrupt")

How quaint!
Not really fair, UKIP was in the main.
Sadly Farage and his cronies dishonestly hijacked the leadership through a very unpleasant and corrupt leadership squabble.

Then the rot started as Farage had absolutely no leadership skills it seems and less morality.

The party has now been infiltrated by his cronies and a BNP style management complete with ambushings, kangaroo courts, set aside of disciplinary procedure puppets, bully boys and dodgey accounts.

The slide into the gutter has been the rise of EUkip and the departure of over 50% of the membership – almost all of the decent moral members of integrity and the hard core ethical activists and the backers have left since EUkip came into being.

There are more kangaroo courts being drawn up! Viz: John West, Dr. Eric Edmond, Dr. David Abbott and others.

The ‘Reichstag Fire’ moment at the last NEC meeting of EUkip has even more irrevocably linked the leadership and their cronies with the BNP, rather backfiring as they had thought dishonestly to get rid of two men of intellect and integrity branding them as BNP!!

The ‘Kristell Nacht’ is underway at the moment with bullying and intimidation by Farage’s place men and bully boys and the night of the long knives to seize total Kontrol is planned, we believe, for late January or early February.

The likelihood then is Farage and a few cronies will strip the residual party and jump ship – blaming everyone but themselves for the debacle.

One need only to look at the calibre of those gathered around Farage to be aware he is a weak and venal leader of little or no integrity.

Originally Posted by Torytruth
but the Delderfield revelations are chilling.

You may well say so.
Originally Posted by Torytruth
How many of the Delderfield extremists hold high rank in UKIP?

Quite a number and at least 2 MEPs, though I would feel that any youngsters who were associated may well have been duped as Dennis’s ‘front’ is seemingly benign. There will always be those who had a dalliance as in ‘he who is not a Socialist in youth has no heart and he who is a Socialist in maturity has no Brain’ and one can see that all too well with the Neo Communists that are New Labour’s core – Blair, Brown, Mandelson, Presscott, Straw, Smith + Smith, Haine, Beckett, Martin, Darling etc. etc. and thus the economic illiteracy of Brown & Darling – deliberately engineered by the harder line Communists in the party.

Sadly the Tories lack a single solitary member of stature and competence, save perhaps William Hague who is too spoilt and wealthy to care having been stabbed in the back too often, the balance are but braying asses almost without exception.

Originally Posted by Torytruth
I'm pleased to see that Mike Smith has been banned because he was hounding Gary Cartwright

I agree – he is a bully and a coward but still I believe I shall decline to expand now that I know he is banned and unable to defend himself. If there is one thing I hate it is a bully, as with those who lie and cheat their comrades. Similarly those who bear false witness on debunked evidence – it is hard to find a man more contemptible.
Notably in EUkip another Smith and another Michael!

Originally Posted by Torytruth
but if Gary will not admit his National Democrats membership an obvious problem arises.

I’m not SURE I agree – surely it is the responsibility of the employer since he doesn’t seek elected office and holds no Party position.I am always wary of witch hunts as all too often the hunters are malign in their definitions and wanting in their evidence and seeking their own glory!One need only look at EUkip to see the truth of this comment!

Originally Posted by Torytruth
Was Tom Wise also a member of the National Democrats?

I do not think he was but even if he was he may not have noticed!! I have met but a few people that are so stupid they did not know they were stupid!

Originally Posted by Torytruth
When exactly did the National Front become the National Democrats and when did Gary join?

I suggest you let GOOGLE be your friend having never been a member of a Political Party I have not kept tally of dates. As for Gary I believe that question may be answered in court shortly!!I trust this helps and clarifies a few details.

QUOTE=Torytruth
Greg. I'm fascinated by this information, much of which comes as total news to me.

May I suggest you hunt down Political Gossip UK blog, Caterpillars And Butterflies blog & Junius on UKIP blog and start reading! Once you are convinced of their factual nature do distribute the URLs – sadly only pro UKIP propaganda is permitted to be actually advertised on this Forum section with multiple RSS feeds etc!!!

QUOTE=Torytruth
I have always thought of UKIP as an essentially moderate centre-right organisation (whether you think it is any good or even "corrupt")

How quaint!
Not really fair - UKIP was in the main.

Sadly Farage and his cronies dishonestly hijacked the leadership through a very unpleasant and corrupt leadership squabble.

Then the rot started as Farage had absolutely no leadership skills it seems and less morality.

The party has now been infiltrated by his cronies and a BNP style management complete with ambushings, kangaroo courts, set aside of disciplinary procedure puppets, bully boys and dodgey accounts. The slide into the gutter has been the rise of EUkip and the departure of over 50% of the membership – almost all of the decent moral members of integrity and the hard core ethical activists and the backers have left since EUkip came into being.

There are more kangaroo courts being drawn up! Viz: John West, Dr. Eric Edmond, Dr. David Abbott and others.

The Faragista ‘Reichstag Fire’ moment at the last NEC meeting of EUkip has even more irrevocably linked the leadership and their cronies with the BNP, rather backfiring as they had thought dishonestly to get rid of two men of intellect and integrity branding them as BNP!!

The ‘Kristell Nacht’ is underway at the moment with bullying and intimidation by Farage’s place men and bully boys and the night of the long knives to seize total Kontrol is planned, we believe, for late January or early February.The likelihood then is Farage and a few cronies will strip the residual party and jump ship – blaming everyone but themselves for the debacle.One need only to look at the calibre of those gathered around Farage to be aware he is a weak and venal leader of little or no integrity.

QUOTE=Torytruth
but the Delderfield revelations are chilling.

You may well say so.

QUOTE=Torytruth
How many of the Delderfield extremists hold high rank in UKIP?

Quite a number and at least 2 MEPs, though I would feel that any youngsters who were associated may well have been duped as Dennis’s ‘front’ is seemingly benign. There will always be those who had a dalliance as in ‘he who is not a Socialist in youth has no heart and he who is a Socialist in maturity has no Brain’ and one can see that all too well, with the Neo Communists that are New Labour’s core – Blair, Brown, Mandelson, Presscott, Straw, Smith + Smith, Haine, Beckett, Martin, Darling etc. etc. and thus the economic illiteracy of Brown & Darling – deliberately engineered by the harder line Communists in the party.

Sadly the Tories lack a single solitary member of stature and competence, save perhaps William Hague who is too spoilt and wealthy to care having been stabbed in the back too often, the balance are but braying asses almost without exception.

QUOTE=Torytruth
I'm pleased to see that Mike Smith has been banned because he was hounding Gary Cartwright

I agree – he is a bully and a coward but still I believe I shall decline to expand now that I know he is banned and unable to defend himself. If there is one thing I hate it is a bully, as with those who lie and cheat their comrades. Similarly those who bear false witness on debunked evidence – it is hard to find a man more contemptible.Notably in EUkip another Smith and another Michael!

QUOTE=Torytruth
but if Gary will not admit his National Democrats membership an obvious problem arises.

I’m not SURE I agree – surely it is the responsibility of the employer since he doesn’t seek elected office and holds no Party position.I am always wary of witch hunts as all too often the hunters are malign in their definitions and wanting in their evidence and seeking their own glory!One need only look at EUkip to see the truth of this comment!

QUOTE=Torytruth
Was Tom Wise also a member of the National Democrats?

I do not think he was but even if he was he may not have noticed!! I have met but a few people that are so stupid they did not know they were stupid!

QUOTE=Torytruth
When exactly did the National Front become the National Democrats and when did Gary join?

I suggest you let GOOGLE be your friend having never been a member of a Political Party I have not kept tally of dates. As for Gary I believe that question may be answered in court shortly!!

For clarification:
Just for clarification I believe that Dennis Delderfield's rather unpleasant little organisation is NEW BRITAIN and was, possibly still is, allied to the morally reprehensible Political side of The Springbok Club which I understand to support apartheid.

For Further Clarification:
(c/o Wiki)
This article is about the political party which split away from the British National Front. For the Northern Irish political party, see National Democrats (Northern Ireland).

The National Democrats is a right wing nationalist party in the United Kingdom that has campaigned vigorously against immigration and asylum. According to the 2007 accounts filed with the Electoral Commission it had two members, which must be presumed to be its leader Ian Anderson and its treasurer Stephen Ebbs.
FormationThe party was formed in 1995 when members of the National Front decided to change the name to the National Democrats. 72% of the membership voted for the change in a postal ballot. Some members opposed the change and carried on political activity as the National Front.The party noticeably moderated the policies of the NF in an attempt to win more popular appeal and avoid allegations of "extremism".

However I am open to correction.

I trust this helps and clarifies a few details.
Regards,
Greg L-W.
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#163* - EUkip Few Friends, No Dosh & Less Brains

#163* - EUkip Few Friends, No Dosh & Less Brains

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EUkip SHAVING COSTS & STAFF AND CUTTING OFF INTELLIGENCE & FUNDING!

Hi,

I note with interest that as ever EUkip fail to source this article on their OAFFicial Blog, so it is of no value or substance!
Have they got a clue on ANYTHING?

Climate: UK toes the Brussels line as usual
Thursday, 27th November 2008
The Germans have expressed doubts about it, the Italians have threatened to veto it, much of Eastern Europe is against it but – predictably – the British government has fallen into line behind Brussels on the EU's ludicrous and unachievable scheme to "fight climate change."
Our minister of state for energy and climate change, Mike O'Brien, says: "We do not believe the global economic downturn justifies postponing action on climate change until stability returns. The case for strong and early action remains robust under the current economic situation."That means the UK is signing up to the plan to reduce European carbon dioxide emissions by 20% from 1990 levels by 2020, to increase energy efficiency by 20% and to source 20% of power from renewable sources such as wind or solar.Mr O'Brien says countries such as Germany, Italy and Poland are "doom mongering" when they raise fears that sticking to the unrealistically ambitious plan will further damage European industry and the economy as the world sinks into recession.That has not stopped German conservative politicians lobbying Chancellor Angela Merkel – one of the prime movers of the scheme – to delay it and reduce its targets. Nor has it changed the determination of Italian premier Silvio Berlusconi to reject the plan at an EU summit next month.The Italian employers' organisation Confindustria believes the plan will cost the country up to €27 billion euros, which is more than double the guesstimate given by the EU Commission has estimated Italy's cost at less than one-half of that amount.Poland and six other European Union newcomers are also opposed to the scheme, which they say would mean ruinously increased costs for their industries.Brussels must be delighted to know it can still rely on the British to go along with whatever the Commission wants – and even "improve" on it.
Back to Brussels Insider

OK so maybe it was written in house - that's OK so put a name to it, was it the maunderings of ???? or an authoratitive and informed individual?

Surely even EUkip could hustle around and find a competent author for such material - If UKIP still existed perhaps Robin Page would suffice if they don't have a climatologist or qualified scientist.

I appreciate that with EUkip having infiltrated the party and dragged it into the gutter it is unlikely they could find an individual of substance they got rid of most of the brains in the Party:

Dr. Richard North

Dr. Eric Edmond

Dr. Abbott

for example and it is noted that:

Professor Tim Condon

Dr. Robert Spink MP (Tory Turn Coat)

Lord Pearson

Lord Willoughby de Broke

rarely badge anything to UKIP let alone EUkip.

Even the chaotic and bad tempered fool Dr. Wittaker has fallen out with them after being forced to put his name to lies for Farage!

I wonder if The Earl's Mater permits him to sign things - though besides spend what little money Mater gives him and his lack lustre time at Eton he probably doesn't know much about anything and as a speaker it is all about his favourite subject!!

Does ANYONE of substance support EUkip or just that sad put upon ex bookie?
Surely there must be the odd parasite or hanger on who is looking for preferment!

Regards,
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#162* - EUkip PAY THIS BRIGHT SPARK!!!

#162* - EUkip PAY THIS BRIGHT SPARK!!!

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EUkip PIGS SEE THIS CATASTROPHY AS A JOKE!!

Hi,

This, rather embarrassingly is from EUkip's OAFFicial Blog!


Thursday, 27 November 2008

Now this is what the internet is really for
No, really, it is. A website devoted entirely to bacon.If a story's got bacon in it they'll publish it. No bacon, no story as far as they are concerned.
Bacon Today in all it's porcine goodness.Remind me, what was it we all did before we had toys like this to play with?
Posted by Tim Worstall at
16:17

EUkip misses the opportunity YET AGAIN.

The answer is simple - Had we paid more attention and not joined the EU and had EUkip done the job they were elected to do not bury their snouts in the trough and ignore their UKIP roots!

Well the answer might have been: 'We might still have a bacon industry and our porcine interests may have led us to retain our Pig Industry, which has almost totally been lost to Denmark'.

What do EUkip do?

They hire a discreditted Dane as a part time book keeper, to tot up SOME of the accounts @£36,000+expenses a year!!

You could hardly make it up could you - and EUkip post it on their OAFFicial Blog, as a joke!!!

SHAME ON EUkip.

Where were EUkip during The Lisbon Constitution battle - probably playing with toy scout cars from a museum, running round in Chicken Suits, Inflating their toys on The EU's lawn or 'Aving A Larf'' - between consorting with prostitutes who they failed to pay, falling down drunk in the street or ...............
Doesn't it make YOU proud to support them!!!

Greg L-W.
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#161* - EUkip The Weakest Links.........

#161* - EUkip The Weakest Links.........

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

RATS IN A CORNER FIGHT FOR THEIR LIVES - NEVER ATTACK FROM THE FRONT!


Hi,

I believe that the party has completely split, with its rotten head as EUkip, joined onto the party by the corrupt lattice of supporters being paid or seeking preferment.

UKIP itself is looking for adequate backbone to evicerate the stench of its rotten head and lizard like regrow a claean and sound management, leadership structure thus making the party once more a party people of integrity and moralisty can vote for.


The party is finished unless it can distance itself from the BNP style image it is attracting with its kangaroo courts, dishonest trumpped up evidence and increasingly pro EU stance, in return for funding.


It stands no chance with the infiltrators and carpet baggers and the weakest links are people like McGough, The Desk, Smith, NuttAll, Reeve, Curtis, Agnew, Denny and their ilk with a conjoined record of dishonesty, bullying and cowardice.


Farage's greatest problem is that he was not honestly elected but seized the leadership based on the corruption of the election by people like Denny, Fuller, Moran, Carver, Lott, Croucher, Kingscott and their ilk.

It is possible that Farage might have won an honest election but he set the prescedent with his acceptance of corruption - he has now no grounds to stand tall he is just a grubby little wastrell who without honour, integrity or principle - a slick little barrow boy with a smart *rsed answer and a fist full of sound bites.


Increasingly, in his downward spiral, Farage is hiring less and less decent bully boys to maintain his power because he commands no respect and less authority.

One of his biggest mistakes was to hire the Spanish practices woman
who has so discreditted herself in her collusion in corruption for personal gain - those who will be actively campaigning against EUkip in the South East would do well to avoid confrontation with Farage but attack his running mate - one of the great disadvantages of PR and a list system is that if you have an angel in first place IGNORE THEM and expose the others.

People vote for parties as proven by Deadweight Derek being elected - a man of no charm, no charisma, no ability, graceless, disloyal and venal self interest.


The weak link in the South East is clearly Marta Andreassen who is easily shown to be corrupt and self seeking - linking her iretievably to EUkip and exposing her corruption will bring EUkip down in the SE.


Similarly the fraudulent, liar and cheat the shoddy little desk Bannerman in the Eastern Region. These two individuals can be used as the garrotte to stiffle the life blood of EUkip and remove the rotten head.


Let us see howmuch backbone the remaining UKIP members and supporters have!

Regards,
Greg L-W.
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Thursday, 27 November 2008

#160* - Robert KILROY SILK Outstrips EUkip

#160* - Robert KILROY SILK Outstrips EUkip

Clean EUkip up NOW & make UKIP electable!

RKS HAS FAR OUTSTRIPPED EUkip IN TERMS OF WORK & INTEGRITY SINCE ELECTION:

Hi,

though I was in favour of Robert Kilroy Silk being a candidate for UKIP originally, I am firmly on record before the election stating that I believed that he would raise the profile of UKIP but it was upto other UKIP members to capitalise.At the same time UKIP had its association with Max Clifford which I recommended against as he is widely reveilled by the media and his association would damage UKIP - as it did, since it was through him that the damaging intercession of I think the picture is either from her 100th. birthday or her 100th. husband I'm not sure which!

Joan Collins came about.I also stated that RKS was likely on a personal basis to lose as many votes as he personally gained, which I believe was true.When RKS's vote was announced I was on the phone to Farage and stated that since he was an ego centric the party had a tail in its hands and as the dawn came and they were dragged into the open they would find they had a tiger by the tail and BEFORE the media circuss they MUST build a guilded cage to hold him.I advocated he was immediately announced as UKIP's General Election & Local Election Campaign Director reporting monthly to The NEC.Alternatively be minded since you hold a tiger by the tail of the Chinese proverb 'If you try to manually strangle a tiger, be sure to finish the job'!I was not aware until later that day that Nigel Farage had lied to Robert Kilroy Silk to con him into joining UKIP.Since becoming an Independent, in disgust at Farage's dishonesty, RKS has fulfilled his undertaking prior to his election - RKS stated that he was going to attend the EU as infrequently as possible as he had been elected to campaign to leave it and he did not recognise its authority over Britain. This he has done.Further RKS has done more to highlight the situation than all of EUkip's gravy train riders put together - he has asked over 1,500 written questions. Far more than all the EUkip MEPs put together.Just think how much better off these United Kingdoms would be if NONE of the EUkip MEPs had EVER gone to the EU parliament.If Derek Clarke & Nigel Farage had NEVER attended they would not have treacherously betrayed these United Kingdoms, undermined our Monarch and betrayed our peoples by signing up to INCREASE the Subsidiarity of Britain to The EU.If Derek Clarke & Nigel Farage had NEVER attended they would not have treacherously betrayed these United Kingdoms, undermined our Monarch and betrayed our peoples by signing up to WORK WITH the EU committees to STRENGTHEN their control over Britain.Sorry I couldn't find a modern photo

If Tom Wise had NEVER attended he would not have treacherously betrayed these United Kingdoms, undermined our Monarch and betrayed our peoples by fraudulently obtaining money together with Lindsay Jenkins and embezzling it for his personal gain, as exposed in the meeeja.
Wise with all those who respect him and the friend in the EU.

If Tom Wise had NEVER attended he would not have treacherously betrayed these United Kingdoms, undermined our Monarch and betrayed our peoples by being exposed by The News of the World as a dishonest, corrupt and rather sordid oaff, stuffing his pockets at every opportunity.It is also worth noting that even Ashley Mote whilst spending a great deal of time on his legal case and time out in prison and tagged thereafter has managed to do more work for these United Kingdoms to expose the EU and bring the message to the people of his region specifically than ALL of EUkip's MEPs put together - a couple of transient TV appearances of Farage (only) excepted.Much as I can't personally stnd RKS - he has done more for our Country than the EUkip shower.
Regards,
Greg L-W.
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